Jay's PS4 and the Aftermath

EDIT: Originally posted in the Yesterday I Bought thread.

So... I got a PS4!

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I agree, actually. The PS4 has more potential than the Wii U, as more developers are working on games for it. I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

Mmm, red and black, absolutely beautiful system that thing is.

ZeroJones wrote:

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I agree, actually. The PS4 has more potential than the Wii U, as more developers are working on games for it. I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

Can only agree, if you were to buy a Wii U now what you getting a years more worth of games if that and if you look at the retail games there's about 120 and how many of them are good. In 2 or 3 years time if we do Classic Wii U games how many will there actually be.

Where PS4 what your getting at least 3 years (avg 5 years of a console) and I wouldn't say FFVII Remake would be coming any time soon with a huge library already.

The Wii U is still great but I would only recommend now if you got a PS4 or a ONE as well.

I picked my 59th Wii U game for my collection

Y'know I'm consistently surprised at just how many games you've managed to pick up for the Wii U Mas. For a system that is a little infamous among the gaming community for lacking in games it's a huge and impressive collection!

ZeroJones wrote:

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I agree, actually. The PS4 has more potential than the Wii U, as more developers are working on games for it. I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

That's what made my mind up about which to buy in the end - there's a lot of good stuff on the Wii U (a lot I'd like to play too), but after next year, it's not looking good. Conversely, I reckon the PS4's got legs, and there's plenty that I want to play on it already and even more to come.

ZeroJones wrote:

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

Not even Splatoon? Also there's a lot of great games that you can only get on wii U.

ZeroJones wrote:

The PS4 has more potential than the Wii U, as more developers are working on games for it.

You can't really argue that point though.

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Mas wrote:

Can only agree, if you were to buy a Wii U now what you getting a years more worth of games if that and if you look at the retail games there's about 120 and how many of them are good. In 2 or 3 years time if we do Classic Wii U games how many will there actually be.

The ps4 may have many more games than wii U but I wouldn't say it has many classics yet either, in fact I could probably count them on one hand for both systems.

It's lacking what you would call good games Athrun and the system is 3 years old in 2 months and has 614* games listed on Wiki where if you take the PS4 it has 742* in 2 years. That it seems due to length it's been out it should have more then the PS4 for instance and that's less then the Dreamcast which had 636  in a shorter amount of time on the shelf then the Wii U has.

*Both list include all regions and what's coming such as Zelda U and Final Fantasy VII remake.

I agree Jas that there not many Classics yet but as Jay points out the PS4 has likely got legs and go past the avg 5 years life-cycle that we look back on it and can think of loads of classics like we can do with the PS3 now but with the Wii U not so much as we know of what about 20 more games coming and that replacement is coming that if we look back on the Wii U it is likely only going to be a handful of classic games.

I've been reading this thread with interest as I recently sold my Wii-U and plan on picking up a PS4 when a good deal comes up. Only sold the Wii-U as needed cash for a shed but I hadn't played it in months (the Wii-U, not the shed), and have been a bit underwhelmed with the releases this year. Captain Toad and Kirby felt more like handheld titles, not full console releases and Splatoon didn't interest me as I mostly play 1-player.

I think the PS4 will be around until 2020 at least, seeing as the PS2 and PS3 both had seven years before they were superseded.

As far as what I've just bought, I've ordered Luigi's Mansion, Super Monkey Ball and Wave Race Blue Storm. My daughter is nearly 4 and she really enjoys Mario Galaxy, but struggles with the Wiimote. I'm looking at working through the Gamecube classics (mentioned on this very forum) with her and the Gamecube is the perfect family-friendly console with a conventional controller.

The_Jaster wrote:

ZeroJones wrote:

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

Not even Splatoon? Also there's a lot of great games that you can only get on wii U.

Not even Splatoon, for the reasons that my fellow Jones, g, gave. The online side of things is really good but I'll hardly, if ever, get a chance to play it with you guys.

Not even Mario Kart 8, because I don't especially like the series, and not even Smash, which is too bloated for its own good.

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I bought Age Of Ultron on Blu-Ray yesterday. Looking forward to watching that bad boy in the face.

gjones wrote:

I've been reading this thread with interest as I recently sold my Wii-U and plan on picking up a PS4 when a good deal comes up. Only sold the Wii-U as needed cash for a shed but I hadn't played it in months (the Wii-U, not the shed), and have been a bit underwhelmed with the releases this year. Captain Toad and Kirby felt more like handheld titles, not full console releases and Splatoon didn't interest me as I mostly play 1-player.

I think the PS4 will be around until 2020 at least, seeing as the PS2 and PS3 both had seven years before they were superseded.

As far as what I've just bought, I've ordered Luigi's Mansion, Super Monkey Ball and Wave Race Blue Storm. My daughter is nearly 4 and she really enjoys Mario Galaxy, but struggles with the Wiimote. I'm looking at working through the Gamecube classics (mentioned on this very forum) with her and the Gamecube is the perfect family-friendly console with a conventional controller.

See it's not just me that has wiimote issues

mas wrote:

I agree Jas that there not many Classics yet but as Jay points out the PS4 has likely got legs and go past the avg 5 years life-cycle that we look back on it and can think of loads of classics like we can do with the PS3 now but with the Wii U not so much as we know of what about 20 more games coming and that replacement is coming that if we look back on the Wii U it is likely only going to be a handful of classic games

I didn't argue or disagree about the ps4 having the better legs,  I just feel you are being overly harsh on the wii U because of the quantity of games it has & yes, I agree it should have more but when it lacks certain publisher/developer support then that's obvious to me that is going to be the case.

Also let's not forget that many (fans & media included) said wii U had the best games last year out of all of them, I love my ps4 but I've certainly had more fun on the wii U.

ZeroJones wrote:

The_Jaster wrote:

ZeroJones wrote:

masofdas wrote:

That's gorgeous Jay and a better buy then a U.

I'm also not totally happy with any Wii U retail game.

Not even Splatoon? Also there's a lot of great games that you can only get on wii U.

Not even Splatoon, for the reasons that my fellow Jones, g, gave. The online side of things is really good but I'll hardly, if ever, get a chance to play it with you guys.

Not even Mario Kart 8, because I don't especially like the series, and not even Smash, which is too bloated for its own good.

Those are fair reason but I'm still shocked.

I'm not being harsh on the Wii U's quantity of games as it has a fair amount (I own 59), I'm being harsh on the quality of them yes Splat, Bayo 2, Hyrule, Pikmin all great with a few others but after 3 years maybe 4 years on the market in total, where going to look back at it and go it's got about 5 classics with about 15 good games.

That's not great and like you said last year the Wii U had the best exclusives easily and I did say if your buying a Wii U now, there is a decent backlog as well but not a lot to look forward to either that I would only recommend a Wii U if you got a PS4 or ONE or PC and know your only going to play maybe 20 good games on the Wii U or maybe wait in till it's dead dead & pick up a 8gb dirt cheap unless you really want to play Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Because of that is why I said Jay buying a PS4 is a better buy as it's still got a bunch of games to play at the moment and will likely go on till 2020 or something that it just makes so much more sense then a Wii U.

Mas wrote:

I'm not being harsh on the Wii U's quantity of games as it has a fair amount (I own 59), I'm being harsh on the quality of them yes Splat, Bayo 2, Hyrule, Pikmin all great with a few others but after 3 years maybe 4 years on the market in total, where going to look back at it and go it's got about 5 classics with about 15 good games.

You certainly made it seem that way by making a big deal about the number of games each system has though almost as if you were saying having more is better.

For me the wii U still has the better overall quality (only just) & it's over broader spectrum of genres as well, as for the suggested number of classic it has as we have found out in the counting classics thread that is entirely a subjective matter.

I'll let folk get back to talking about what they bought now.

I only brought up how many games it has as Athrun was shocked how many I've got as a lot go the Wii U has no games which you can see is clearly not true. I compared to PS4 which some might use to justify that argument as it's been out a year less & has X amount more games.

As you know I'm a huge fan of the Dreamcast which has a tiny library in Europe but still fantastic & as it has quality games.

Like you said that's subjective and to me I've had my Wii U since launch paid a lot of money for it (that I worked for) & I'm going to get about 4 years lifecycle out of it which is the same as the GameCube and end up with about 20 maybe 30 good game's at a push.

That's just my view on the Wii U it's the 3rd worse system I've bought at launch and I should of waited in till maybe SMASH to come out to pick one up. Nintendo have to do something amazing with the NX for me to get one of those any time close to launch.

I just looked in on this thread - it's not usually the sort of thing I follow.  "Glad" to know I've become a running joke on Twitter.

I'm just sad.  Sad that one of our (Nintendo) forum's most prolific and intelligent posters has gone for a Sony console over a Nintendo one this generation.  Sad that the forum as a whole seems to be drifting towards multi-format, especially in areas like the podcast (where apparently the one person who wanted to talk about Nintendo couldn't get a word in edgeways, apparently).  Sad that, in a season where there are two sprawling RPGs in post-apocalyptic settings coming out this Christmas, the forum seems to be more hyped for Fallout 4 than for XCX.  

Sad that Nintendo's let things get this way this generation.  Sad that its way out, at least in the short term, seems to be F2P mobile games.

I don't blame Jay.  I don't agree with what a lot of people seem to be saying about the Wii U's line-up, I think it's got a lot of good and great games that may not meet everyone's tastes and so are overlooked - but I don't think it has much potential left.  (This piece from Nintendo life seems appropriate.)  Nintendo are obviously gearing up for the NX.  If Jay does want a Ninty console, he'd be better off re-buying a 3DS or waiting for the NX, which will probably be close to release this time next year, and hoping it doesn't go the same way.

Maybe in that respect, a Ninty-only gamer is a bit of a joke now.  I don't play as many games as I used to, and if I did I'd probably find Nintendo's consoles' current rate of output unacceptable.  

Enjoy MGSV Jay.

Everything your saying is fair Balla, take the Podcast we would love to talk Nintendo but we had nothing to talk about really and Zero knew what he signed up for with MGSV being out.

If Nintendo don't bring out the games we can't talk Nintendo which is sad as even on other forums like SONM it's now more multiformat but Nintendo has brought us as gamers together.

I will say, though, that the games it has left have the potential to be absolute blinders. We're talking Zelda U, XCX, and SF0 here. I'm fully trusting that the first two will be world-beaters, while SF0 should be as well (but I wouldn't be surprised if it's "merely good").

I understand that if you lack budget, the PS4 is a better choice, and you can always wait to see if some or all of them come out on NX (I doubt it - Zelda U's the most likely one, but they're sure to want to use the Gamepad as much as possible for that). Hopefully Jay will have aced his interview, though, resulting in disposable income - in which case, these and other games (like those mentioned by Mas and myself) definitely make the console more than worth its purchase price.

To be fair if I didn't already have a Wii U I'd probably wait a little bit longer to get what given it's days are numbered and it's only gonna go further down in price, the games are certainly there but the potential is clearly with the PS4 (and that is one pretty PS4 too).

Yeah, it's more of a budget issue as opposed to flat out not wanting a Wii U - and I do plan to rebuy a 3DS around Christmas!

As for plumping for a PS4 before the Wii U, it's more about longevity than appeal. Nintendo are definitely already shifting towards the NX (which we still don't even know if it's a handheld, a home console or a... hybrid) and it's reflected in the upcoming games for the Wii U. Sure, Zelda U and XCX are going to be phenomenal and as sceptical as I am about Starfox Zero, it's likely going to be a bloody good game. And there's a lot in the console's backlog that I know I'd like as well. But with my budget, I can't justify buying a console that seems to have another year or two left in its lifespan. There's a lot on the PS4 I'm really excited for - Fallout 4, Street Fighter V, Persona 5, The Last Guardian, Horizon: Until Dawn, Dark Souls III and I've still got MGSV and Bloodborne to play.

The funny thing is, I've always been a bit of a Nintendo/Sony hybrid (ugh) gamer, and my preference between the two swings from generation to generation. My first home console was the PS1, but I was more enamoured with my Game Boy Colour. Then I had a PS2 and a Gamecube, but I liked my Gamecube more. I ignored Sony entirely afterwards and went for a Wii, a DS and a 360. But now I'm back to a Sony home console and, once I've got the cash together again, a Nintendo handheld. This isn't any sort of a dramatic shift away from Nintendo for me.

I think it's very difficult to not play games on multiple machines these days, unless you've not got much time to play games, in which case I'd say Nintendo is perfect. I think most on this forum have a home console (or two), a 3DS and some even play on PC too. I don't think there's any dramatic shift towards multi-format here, just a dearth of Nintendo discussion right now because Nintendo themselves are in a weird state of flux. They've got a new president, a new mobile department, a new console on the horizon... and we have no earthly idea how they'll turn out. We can speculate, but there's only so much speculating one can do. I think once Nintendo start dropping some real news about the NX, discussion will start to pick up again.

The best time I think to buy a Wii U is when the NX comes out, then the U will be dirt cheap and have a even bigger library of good games.

Aw, don't be sad, Balla. This is still a "Nintendo Primarily" forum. When there's something Nintendo'y to talk about, we definitely talk about it - most of the general gaming stuff relates to Nintendo-related stuff.
Though I am really looking forward to getting a PS4 (and finally got my PC graphics card fixed, yay!) in order to play a new batch of "other games", my WiiU isn't going anywhere; Nintendo games are like Disney films or M&S pants.

Late to the discussion and I know it's not really the place for this chat, but count me as one of the many who is unhappy with the Wii U's output. 2015 has been a dreadful year for Nintendo in Europe, and I can't believe that it's big Christmas game is going to be an identikit sequel to the quite ordinary and near-forgotten Mario Tennis Open. While I've never honestly been fully convinced by the Wii U, because of the dearth of new releases I've always looked forward to what's ahead. That's been really difficult to do since Smash came out last November; there's been hee-haw of that sort of console-defining quality on the agenda, and even what's come out hasn't really met my fairly moderate expectations. As mas has said, there's probably about five all-time classics, and about fifteen other games that you could reasonably call pretty good. After the N64, GBA, GameCube, DS and Wii, that's really quite mince.

The last time there was this kind of lull in Nintendo's output, I almost quit this hobby and stopped playing altogether. I feel like I've been waiting for some concrete info about the NX for about fifteen months, and that Nintendo has been on hiatus during more or less the whole of that time.

I'm quite bored of the Wii U, and I'm ready to move on to something else. Increasingly, it's feeling certain that my next post in this thread will be a pciture of a brand-new PS4.

I don't quite agree, perhaps because some of the games I'm most excited about are not the "big" ones other people are waiting for, but I can't imagine having spent the past year or two as a videogame enthusiast without my PS3, XBox or laptop.