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Athrun888 Sheegoth
Posts : 3618 Points : 3665 Join date : 2013-01-26 Location : Holiday Bunker
| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 27 Jun 2019 - 15:12 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
Couple of other suggestions: - Pineco and Forretress. Pineco looks like Banjo and Kazooie got their hands on a pinecone, and Forretress... just no. I always liked it for the character of the thing. Wouldn't lose sleep if it stayed or went though. - Quote :
- - Aipom, the least cute monkey there has ever been. The smile alone is enough to give me nightmares.
But then we'd lose Ambipom! Best troll for online battles ever! - Quote :
- - Qwilfish joins the cavalcade of mediocre fish designs. We'll find worse, but I really don't see what it adds and feel it's taking up space.
Afraid I can't let you do that one. Me and old Qwilly go waaaaaay back. Anyone remember a game called Pokemon Battle Revolution on the Wii? Well, as you might guess I played the entire thing. It was strictly a battle tournament game against NPC's akin to Battle Tower and the like. Where does MVP Qwilly come into the equation? The final round, Stardust Colloseum. CUE THE MUSIC! One of the most fun challenges in any Pokemon game ever. NPC's with brutal teams, 2 v 2 battles, lots and lots of fun. Well, it was fun until the final round of it. At that point it was a gauntlet of the games various bosses with godly teams. How godly? They used legendary Pokemon and proper strategies. Final boss was a cheating bastard, Latios, Latias, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Dialga, and Palkia. Enter the savior, the MVP, Qwilly! I bred that little pal for one thing. See the catch with the final round was anything goes, including cover legendaries! So I decided to open every battle with the most terrifying combo of Pokemon pre-gen 6: Qwillfish and Kyogre. The result? So yeah, fraid I'm going to have to say no to Qwillfish getting the chop. Adds character, plus has some really fun niches. Many people ignore him, but not me! To many he is barely a meme. To me he is a god among god, the killer of titans! - Quote :
- - Finally, if somebody could tell me what lumps of molten useless goop Slugma and Magcargo add to the world I'll be happy to listen, but they're terrible 'Mon with mediocre designs and Magcargo in particular has a typing that can only be reasonably termed, 'a mistake'.
I half want to not agree because the memes about Slugma being able to destroy life on earth are too good, but yeah. End of the day it's Grimer made of lava. Not even Shell Smash can make his evolution usable. Bin. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 27 Jun 2019 - 22:07 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- Aipom, the least cute monkey there has ever been. The smile alone is enough to give me nightmares. You have had a long standing grudge against poor Aipom. I think he's a loveable goofball. He's silly and uniquely designed. Good monkey boy, he stays. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Sat 29 Jun 2019 - 19:00 | |
| Long-standing and deserved thank you very much. Right, we've got the following list to cull from Gen. 2: - Spoiler:
Unown Dunsparce (Jay's defence overruled by the strength of feeling elsewhere) Steelix (by default) Slugma Magcargo Corsola Smoochum
Gen. 3 is probably my favourite gen, but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of crap to cull. Let's get to it: - The Wurmple line. Inferior versions of Butterfree and Beedrill that offer nowt extra. We didn't cull Butterfree and Beedrill, so this lot feel like they have to go. - Glalie. I've got nothing against Snorunt, the little eskimo chappie; or Froslass, who we'll see next gen.; but 'big ice face' is not good Pokémon design and even if it is Cryogonal does it better. - Volbeat and Illumise. Shoddy single-stage bugs. Volbeat had a debatable competitive presence (all but gone now) that doesn't at all make up for its aesthetics. Give me your suggestions of what to bin! |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Sun 30 Jun 2019 - 20:46 | |
| I like the Wurmple line - the idea of it turning into a different cocoon form depending on the time of day (if I recall correctly) is a neat idea.
I also like Glalie - its Mega form is suitably horrifying!
There's some guff in Gen III...
Plusle/Minun - I'm not a fan of the Pika clones. They feel somewhat unoriginal as a result.
Skitty/Delcatty - Seems to retread the same ground as Meowth/Persian. There's better cats to come.
Trapinch - I like Flygon and Vibravia, but Trapinch feels very out of place and somewhat redundant.
Gorebyss - I legitimately forgot this Pokémon existed. Huntail is much better out of the two evolutions Clamperl has access to.
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 1 Jul 2019 - 19:54 | |
| - JayMoyles wrote:
- I also like Glalie - its Mega form is suitably horrifying!
I should say: I'm taking the perspective of Sword and Shield for this, and from what I've heard mechanics such as Megas and Z-Moves aren't making it into the new games. I'd personally cull both of them, but I think they're being culled anyway? Up to you if you want to base your choices on what Megas are available: I'm assuming they'll all go away. - JayMoyles wrote:
- Plusle/Minun - I'm not a fan of the Pika clones. They feel somewhat unoriginal as a result.
Natch. - JayMoyles wrote:
- Skitty/Delcatty - Seems to retread the same ground as Meowth/Persian. There's better cats to come.
Sorry The Lady: he's right. - JayMoyles wrote:
- Trapinch - I like Flygon and Vibravia, but Trapinch feels very out of place and somewhat redundant.
Here's the thing: while I agree with you that Trapinch doesn't seem to 'fit', I like its design and the other two very much feel like second/third forms to me. If there was a replacement lined up then maybe I'd go for it, but there is no creation here: only death. - JayMoyles wrote:
- Gorebyss - I legitimately forgot this Pokémon existed. Huntail is much better out of the two evolutions Clamperl has access to.
I disagree a bit! Based solely on design Gorebyss has nothing going for it, that's true. However, its Pokédex entries are really vicious. It goes around sucking Pokémon dry with its tubular mouth like some sort of mermetroid. I much prefer it to Huntail: big dull eel. That said, the whole bunch are reasonably dull and I'd be up for scrapping the entire Clamperl family; but if it stays, so does this hideous beauty. I have more monsters I'd suggest to scrap, but I'd like to hear from other fine folk first! |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 3 Jul 2019 - 0:03 | |
| To be fair, the main reason I included Gorebyss was because I was looking down the list, spotted it and exclaimed "who the fuck is that?" which felt like a warranted inclusion for the chopping block. I've played Gen III umpteen times too! |
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 3 Jul 2019 - 16:43 | |
| I did a big post for Gen 2 in my work emails last week, but I've not got round to posting it. Here it is if anybody's at all interested: - Gen 2 Was Quite Good:
I looked up the name of the green pinecone, and I’m not surprised to see that it’s called Pineco. Pineco, be Christ! Bugger off. The one next to it is it’s evolution too. I not used either of them, and they don’t look like they’re any use.
That giraffe with the black arse, that can go. It’s never appealed, and I don’t think it’s got any usefulness anywhere - not in the computer games, not in the trading card game, nowhere that I’ve heard about.
I caught a Quilfish in Pokemon Go not that long ago, and I thought to myself ‘what the fuck is that?’. Sane goes that that pink and white coral Pokemon there. I don’t know if they’re any good, but in the generation of Typlosion, Lugia and the almighty Quagsire, they’re unmemorable. I guess I’d come across them when I played HeartGold ten year ago, but I didn’t remember them until Pokemon Go.
I know Stantler. That’s one of those boring sort of Pokemon where the designers lacked inspiration and knocked it together at 4:57 on a Friday afternoon. Off you trot (off the side of a cliff).
I think Gen 2 is generally quite good, so, aye, nothing too major to complain about here. I’ll be tearing Gen 3 a new arsehole though.
Gen 3's monsters fucking suck, and I will die on that mountain. It would be easier to list the ones to keep and the ones to bin. |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 3 Jul 2019 - 20:18 | |
| Oh boy - yeah, I've already lost interest by Gen 3 - they start to feel like variations on the first 250-odd. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 3 Jul 2019 - 23:22 | |
| It's definitely the first generation listed in this thread where there were some immediate duffers standing out to me. I do wonder how much of this is nostalgia tinged considering Gen III wasn't a big one for me. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 4 Jul 2019 - 11:40 | |
| I hate you all. Nah I can't deny that Gen. 3 has some stinkers, but it also has some belting designs that I'll defend to the death. Mind you, it's the generation I've played the most of! (To go back onto Gen. 2 for a moment, I'm going to take Cappa's votes into consideration. That's enough hate to cull Pineco and Forretress, and I agree with Stantler being bobbins so that's out too, but I really like the dumb-as-heck idea behind Girafarig (and its name!) so that stays. Athrun's impassioned defence of Qwilfish saves it, just, and Corsola's already dead.) But back to Gen. 3: Chimecho anyone? Also I'd like to throw Meditite and Medicham under the bus, who I've long thought looked like chuffing idiots. Their saving point at the time was being the only Fighting/Psychic types, but a generation later we got Gallade, who even without a broken-as-heck ability is still better. - Can't remember what they look like? Join the club:
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 8 Jul 2019 - 23:48 | |
| Nah, I quite like those three you mentioned. Chimecho is a unique design and is pretty eerie - I'm surprised it's not a Ghost type! They fit perfectly with that ghost mountain area where you get the orbs later on in R/S/E.
I really like the Fighting types introduced in Gen. III - I like the idea of a yoga fighter and it meshes well with the sumos introduced in Gen. III too. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 10 Jul 2019 - 19:23 | |
| Feels like we should be moving on soon, but we've had literally two people giving their thoughts on Gen. 3 (that weren't just 'they're all bobbins'). Any more for any more? There's a lot to hate here! |
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 10 Jul 2019 - 21:48 | |
| I used your picture of the Gen 3 Pokemon and crossed out the ones I thought were pish, but I've lost it. I'd make a list, but I cant find one to delete rubbish ones off of |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 10 Jul 2019 - 21:52 | |
| Argh! Sorry to hear. Let me give you a list I've copied from here (they're in order and you can compare them against the pic. above): - Gen. 3 Pokémon:
Treecko Grovyle Sceptile Torchic Combusken Blaziken Mudkip Marshtomp Swampert Poochyena Mightyena Zigzagoon Linoone Wurmple Silcoon Beautifly Cascoon Dustox Lotad Lombre Ludicolo Seedot Nuzleaf Shiftry Taillow Swellow Wingull Pelipper Ralts Kirlia Gardevoir Surskit Masquerain Shroomish Breloom Slakoth Vigoroth Slaking Nincada Ninjask Shedinja Whismur Loudred Exploud Makuhita Hariyama Azurill Nosepass Skitty Delcatty Sableye Mawile Aron Lairon Aggron Meditite Medicham Electrike Manectric Plusle Minun Volbeat Illumise Roselia Gulpin Swalot Carvanha Sharpedo Wailmer Wailord Numel Camerupt Torkoal Spoink Grumpig Spinda Trapinch Vibrava Flygon Cacnea Cacturne Swablu Altaria Zangoose Seviper Lunatone Solrock Barboach Whiscash Corphish Crawdaunt Baltoy Claydol Lileep Cradily Anorith Armaldo Feebas Milotic Castform Castform Castform Castform Kecleon Shuppet Banette Duskull Dusclops Tropius Chimecho Absol Wynaut Snorunt Glalie Spheal Sealeo Walrein Clamperl Huntail Gorebyss Relicanth Luvdisc Bagon Shelgon Salamence Beldum Metang Metagross Regirock Regice Registeel Latias Latios Kyogre Groudon Rayquaza Jirachi Deoxys
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Wed 10 Jul 2019 - 22:08 | |
| Cheers! - Good Guys:
Treecko Grovyle Sceptile Torchic Combusken Blaziken Mudkip Marshtomp Swampert Poochyena Mightyena Lombre Pelipper Ralts Gardevoir Slakoth Slaking Loudred Hariyama Azurill Sableye Mawile Aron Lairon Aggron Carvanha Sharpedo Wailmer Wailord Camerupt Spinda Vibrava Flygon Altaria Milotic Duskull Absol Spheal Sealeo Salamence Metang Metagross Kyogre Groudon Rayquaza
The rest can get to Falkirk. |
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Muss Shiny Shuckle
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 11 Jul 2019 - 13:22 | |
| Late to the party on this one.
Gen 1: I like them all but I suppose I never really liked Drowzee and Hypno all that much. I would always try to get an Abra instead. The dream eater and psychothereapy stuff is cool but never really feels like a Pokemon game has ever made the most of it thematically. Gen 2: Another generation I really like. Probably agree that the Unown's should get out.
Gen 3: Blaziken. Dumbass chicken that's the start point for the fire starters totally losing their cool by their final forms. It's all humanoids from here. We don't get a decent fire stater until Fennekin from here, so all the other fire starters are on my naughty list up until that point. We go from a dragon looking motherfucker, and a big ass flaming shrew, to a bunch of gangly assed, out of proportion, anthromorphs. [Well, the piggy boy isn't gangly but it still looks nope] |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 11 Jul 2019 - 20:56 | |
| Good to have you at our culling party Muss! There's still some beer in the fridge. Or actually that cold brown sludge might be what's left of the Spearow family, I'm not sure.
I definitely have to disagree with you about Blaziken, mind - it remained my favourite starter final form until owl-in-a-hoodie took over from it not so long ago. I think this miiiiiight have been residual Digimon fondness, because Blaziken's basically Garudamon at a more reasonable size, but I have always loved Kung Pow Chicken. I think it's genuinely cool and well-designed, and when the Pokémon Company manage that with a chicken you've got to give them respect for it. (I'll agree with you regarding Prodigy songs later though.) Also I like Drowzee despite being unnerved by it for reasons your mate's podcast has already covered.
Going to tackle a couple of monsters that Cappa dumped on by omission hope of booting them out:
Surskit and Masquerain are shoddy bugs. Surskit could have been interesting if it had stayed Bug/Water upon evolving, but it didn't. We don't need more Bug/Flying types. Shuppet and Banette are a good idea poorly executed. Creepy puppet Pokémon is okay, but they have mediocre designs and are useless in actual battle. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 11 Jul 2019 - 23:53 | |
| - Muss wrote:
Gen 3: Blaziken. Dumbass chicken that's the start point for the fire starters totally losing their cool by their final forms. It's all humanoids from here. We don't get a decent fire stater until Fennekin from here, so all the other fire starters are on my naughty list up until that point. We go from a dragon looking motherfucker, and a big ass flaming shrew, to a bunch of gangly assed, out of proportion, anthromorphs. [Well, the piggy boy isn't gangly but it still looks nope] I like Blaziken, but I can definitely see me pointing the finger at some of the later Fire-Fighting types. I don't blame Blaziken - I blame Infernape and Pignite or whatever his name was. - Balladeer wrote:
Surskit and Masquerain are shoddy bugs. Surskit could have been interesting if it had stayed Bug/Water upon evolving, but it didn't. We don't need more Bug/Flying types. Shuppet and Banette are a good idea poorly executed. Creepy puppet Pokémon is okay, but they have mediocre designs and are useless in actual battle. Nope, I will defend these guys! Surskit is a wee cutie and Masquerain is really cool - I don't recall any other Pokémon up to this point having markings on their bodies to act as warnings to other animals. The wings coming together to resemble a big face is a neat idea and plays into its name in a great way. I've said elsewhere I like the ghosts in Gen. III. I like their designs - they're spooky! I've nothing to add about their battle prowess, but Gen III has a good crop of ghosts and I'll hear nothing bad about them. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Sun 14 Jul 2019 - 17:33 | |
| Where's Athrun? We need some more negativity up in this thread! We're going onto the next generation now, but please do keep submitting your thoughts for Gen. 3. I'm going to fire Barboach and Whiscash, Pokémon so dull Cappa drew one as a blue sausage with a face, under the bus as my parting shot. - Current Culling Slate:
Skitty Delcatty Plusle Minun Clamperl Huntail Gorebyss
For a reportedly lousy generation, that's not a lot going on the scrap heap. (To clarify my process, basically the number of people calling for a monster's deletion has to be at least two more than the number not. The monster needs to be called out though.) You (yes YOU) could change that.
And so to Generation 4 and hooooooooo boy. This is my least favourite generation and I would be up for binning a huge huge amount of these bastards. Let's get started: - CULL THESE:
Kricketot/Kricketune - Lousy bugs. The last thing the Pokédex needed was more lousy bugs. Burmy/Wormadam/Mothim - See above. Wormadam's 'cloak' idea wasn't enough to make it exciting, and Mothim is just another bug-flying type from a cast of what feels like millions. Combee/Vespiquen - See above, but also the annoying 'honey' mechanic, the fact that most Combees are utterly useless, and the idea of a defensive bug-flying type is negated entirely by Stealth Rock. Ambipom - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH (breathe) AAAAAAAAA- Buneary/Lopunny - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH (breathe) AAAAAAAAA- Glameow/Purugly - Purugly is indeed ugly. It has nothing going for it design-wise, type-wise, competitive-wise, or anything-wise. Nobody would miss its prevolution either. Pointless babies: Chingling, Mime Jr., Happiny, Mantyke - Nobody asked for these. None of them are well-designed or even particularly cute. Cull them all. Spiritomb - Its design is a swirl, and its otherwise interesting typing was done better by Sableye. Next! Carnivine - An interesting enough design, but it's a useless monster with a useless ability that could only have been rendered relevant if it got the evolution it doesn't have. Finneon/Lumineon - Lousy fish. The last thing the Pokédex needed after more lousy bugs was more lousy fish. Dialga and Palkia - A lot of the legendaries were poorly designed, but none quite approach the problem with Palkia. Even if it didn't look like a penis, its stupid fan arms and its tenuous 'pearl' link would put it onto this list. Dialga, similarly, is overly intricate, has a weirdly long head, and combined with its Steel/Dragon typing it feels like something a child made up as 'THE ULTIMATE POKÉMON ORIGINAL DESIGN DO NOT STEAL'. They're both terrible and crown the worst generation with their badness. Regigigas - Nobody asked for another Regi, and certainly nobody asked for another Regi with a terrible crippling ability. Phione - I don't see the point. Manaphy is a cool well-designed clione-based legendary, but once you get past the thrill of breeding a legendary with a Ditto, Phione offers absolutely nothing in comparison. It feels like a palette-swap of Manaphy you'd find in the earlier-game. Arceus - And finally, this monster. Power creep in action, with the highest stats. of any non-Mega and a ridiculous ability. 'God'. Pokémon didn't need 'God' in gen. 3 and it still doesn't now. It particularly didn't need this weirdly designed God that looks like a hybrid between a llama and a steering wheel, with all the good points of both stripped out.
Phew. Okay, which ones do you not like from gen. 4? Do you agree with many, or any, of mine? Have I missed any awful ones out? (Probably - it's Gen. 4 after all.) |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 15 Jul 2019 - 21:49 | |
| Huh. I have no game-related opinions on them. Definitely keep the starters and their evolutions (Piplup is wonderful). And keep Pachirisu.
Right - get rid of the one that's 2 cherries - any Pokémon that looks like the artist drew round a real world object, and couldn't work out how to deal with the perspective afterwards, should go. Agree with Happiny as well - that don't look wholesome.
Ah, the others are OK - better than Gen 3's. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 15 Jul 2019 - 21:53 | |
| Blasphemy. I don't suppose you have any particular points of ire to share from Gen. 3, Jim? As I say, it's not had many culled yet! Cherubi is an odd one. I don't care about it at all, but its evolution was actually a pretty clever idea: bring out the sun and it goes full plant! Abstain. Happiny's on the chopping block as things stand. |
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The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 15 Jul 2019 - 22:10 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- I'm going to fire Barboach and Whiscash, Pokémon so dull Cappa drew one as a blue sausage with a face, under the bus as my parting shot.
~ I've got no real affinity for Gen 4 - I wasn't playing Pokemon at the time, and when I played them later on, I wasn't mad for Diamond/Pearl/Platinum. But there's some all-time great monsters here, like Piplup, Luxray, Munchlax and Lucario. There's some utter keech too. Kricketot, Kricketune, Burmy, Wormadam, and Mothim are all shite on the bottom of my shoe to be frank. Buziel and Floatzel are two I remember from my playthrough of the Gen 4 games, I remember them being stupid and rubbish. Some of these Sinnoh evolutions are garbage. I'm looking at Mismagius, Probopass, Honchcrow and Yanmega and thinking: nut. Agreeing with Balladeer on Glameow, Purugly and Carnivine. Piss poor! Stunky and Skuntank have arses for faces, and are the worst things this side of the big bag Pokemon that they made later on. Not fond of any of the legendaries. Proper Willysaurus stuff. |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 15 Jul 2019 - 22:13 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- I don't suppose you have any particular points of ire to share from Gen. 3, Jim? As I say, it's not had many culled yet!
- Jimbob wrote:
- Oh boy - yeah, I've already lost interest by Gen 3 - they start to feel like variations on the first 250-odd.
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Mon 15 Jul 2019 - 22:29 | |
| I know, I know. I can't take universal hate or love though, else we'd never have got anything out of Gen. 1! - The Cappuccino Kid wrote:
The man sausage, the myth, the legend. I don't care either way for Buizel and Floatzel (Buizel was kinda cute but not cute enough that I'd rescue it from THE CULL), agree wholeheartedly with the literal arsefaces, and... quite like most of those evolutions to tell the truth! Mismagius I could take or leave I suppose, but Probopass is a hybrid of the moai I loved ever since Super Mario Land and a compass which is pretty inspired; Yanmega is based on a giant prehistoric dragonfly and therefore wins 'cool points'; and Honchkrow I'm genuinely pretty fond of. It's a crow mafia boss. What's not to love? |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Pokémoff (#BuggerOffNationalDex) Thu 18 Jul 2019 - 23:25 | |
| Gen IV really is shite, isn't it? I went through that list and almost felt it'd be easier to list the 'Mon I like. I agree with all the 'Mon you mentioned in your list Balla. I try and play devil's advocate when looking at what 'Mon others have put onto the chopping block but I couldn't come up with a convincing counter point for any of yours because at heart, I agreed with you. All shit. I agree with most of Cappa's list too, but I'll throw my hat into the ring for Honchkrow. A mafia boss 'Mon is a great idea and it's a perfect fit for Giovanni who I believe uses this fella. I do think most of the new final forms for older Pokémon are total shite though. Tangrowth? Barely looks any different from Tangela. Electivire? Horrifying. Magmortar? Stupid looking. I think Electabuzz and Magmar benefited from being single evolution 'Mon - it made them feel distinct. Can I retroactively ask for Elekid and Magby to be culled, actually? I'm also going to begin my crusade against Fire-Fighting starters by suggesting that the Chimchar line should go. I really like the other two starter lines in Gen IV, but Chimchar is dull as dishwater. We've got cooler fighting monkeys already in Mankey and Primeape. The Torchic line felt fresh at the time, but the Fire Fighting concept was already growing dull by Gen IV and it didn't help that Chimchar and its elder forms weren't exactly the most thrilling of Pokémon to look at. At least Piplup and Turtwig were cuties. |
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