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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Sun 5 Mar 2017 - 11:14 | |
| As I sit here watching the first Fast & Furious film, I'm thinking about how far things have come. Here we are, kicking off the forum's third LGYFAYT thread. It feels good. Scribblenauts UnlimitedThis was part of my GNSS 2016 present, thanks to the illustrious, industrious and impervious Cappa - thanks again, sir. The first Scribbsy game had a brilliant idea but it felt like half the problems could be solved by using 'God' or 'jetpack'. The second game added adjectives to the mix, which was fun, and work was done on making the problems more interesting. Unlimited, the third'un, serves up a bit of storyline alongside even more varied problems - a fine improvement. There are still a few things to fix before the definitive Scribblenauts experience, though: the map screen is not intuitive to use ('you don't click on the really obvious icon to select a level' was a real beef) and some of the problems have terrible descriptions. Mostly, though, it's as fun as you make it. 15/20 |
| | | The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Sun 5 Mar 2017 - 18:21 | |
| Glad you enjoyed it! Pleasant, friendly, agreeable - just a very nice game, I feel. |
| | | masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 17:36 | |
| As a few of you are playing, I'm putting everything in spoilers but I will also not try to spoil anything major, so hopefully you can give it read but I don't want to be caught out just in case I do say something. - My thoughts:
I'm going to start of by saying the game is gorgeous along with top notch sound design, their is some rough edges here and there along with some technical issues but I can let that slide when your in the wild with embers coming of a torch, wildest in the long grass.
Now what I don't like is lack of dungeons sure we have the shrines but its not the same as entering Snowpeak Ruins for instance and the what you would call the dungeons are samey with boss fights that also quite similar as well and I've had like 6 boss fights and none of the are memorable.
Lack of items, the runes are nice but I like going into a dungeon getting a Hookshot and learning how to use it to over come the dungeon and boss.
Characters, the best one is Sidon and that's saying something. None will be remembered like Tetra, Midna, Groose, Fi or Navi even if some of them are for the wrong reasons and I don't like this Princess Zelda at all.
Story, I've now seen all the memories but going into the game from the trailers Nintendo have put out for the game, I did think I was going to get a really good story but knowing it's behind these memories and without them it is super basic with very little info, also you see nothing of Ganon in till you decide to go fight him and then he does nothing.
The gameplay is fine but I don't see what's so magical about it and same with the world its rather empty part from the shrines and a few villages, sure it's lovely to look at and sure I've not played much of Witcher 3 but the world from what I have played felt lived in.
Overall I played for over 25hrs according to my Switch and did what I needed to finish to it but this isn't Zelda to me and what it is trying to be a open-world western style RPG their are better out their already.
I still think on here it will be GOTY come the forum awards or the podcast unless Super Mario Odyssey is amazing and it will likely will be with the mass media part from maybe Red Dead Redemption 2 as everyone seems to wank over rockstar.
7/10
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| | | JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:21 | |
| - Response to Mas, and my score for the game:
I can definitely see where you're coming from with the character standpoint - a lot of them were forgettable at best - and I could take or leave the story personally, but I disagree wholeheartedly with the rest of your assessment.
When it comes to the dungeons, I think they've done a great job here. Sure, you're not going to spend hours in them like the dungeons of old, but that's because they've removed the chaff of having to wander about collecting keys to open a door to collect another key and so forth. They're tightly designed with some really clever puzzles wrapped in them. I came away satisfied with my time inside the Divine Beasts, whereas some Zelda dungeons have had me saying "well thank god that's over" after I'd cleared them. I can't see how these dungeons could be called "samey" when the dungeons of old were, in general, formulaic. They'd have you find a few keys to get to the sub-boss, you'd find the dungeon's item, use that to get the boss key and clear the boss - rinse and repeat.
That ties into your point about the lack of items - again, I think what they've done with the items in BotW is brilliant. How many times did you use the Spinner in Twilight Princess outside of its dungeon? Or the Dominion Rod from the same game? Or the Skull Hammer from Wind Waker? But in BotW, you're using the runes constantly during your journey. The game gives you all of these tools in your first hour or so of playing the game and lets you run free with them. I used all of the game's powers in abundance during my adventure, be it for creating an icy path across the ocean so I could reach an island, freezing an enemy with Stasis or just blowing shit up. I don't even see how your comparison against the items of old holds much water - for example, I can think of a puzzle in the Goron Divine Beast that had you using Stasis and Magnesis in tandem to solve it. Traversing Hyrule Castle had me using all of my runes to survive.
Finally, your point about the world feeling empty... this is the biggest thing I've got to disagree with here. If I climb any of the game's plethora of towers, I can stand on there and spot a multitude of things to do. I can see shrines, or enemy camps, or a plume of smoke, or even signs of civilisation. The world isn't meant to feel "lived in" - it's a world that was basically wiped out a hundred years ago. There are still pockets of civilisation, like villages, camps or stables, but the real world-building comes from the ruined villages or monuments Link discovers. This isn't your traditional open-world that splooges icons on the map to go look at - it's a game about discovery.
I think that's why this game is resonating with so many people and falling flat with others. For those that like objective-based, story driven experiences (like The Witcher 3 which you brought up), then this Zelda isn't going to be for them, much like the 2D Zeldas probably fell flat with them too. But for others, this is going to be one of the best adventures they'll ever experience.
At the end of it all, how you feel about the game is simply just that - it's how you feel about the game. But you mentioned that you didn't know what was so "magical" about this game, so I felt I should write a bit on what made this game magical for me. I came away from my 60 or so hours with the game feeling like I'd live a true adventure. Ten years down the line, I imagine I'll have memories of scaling Death Mountain rushing back if I hear some music from the game, or a memory from any of the countless unscripted moments I experienced traversing the world. A lot of the best bits of other open-world games come from the parts the developers have meticulously designed, like the story missions. In this, Nintendo gave us a world to have our own adventures. And it's the best adventure I've ever had.
10/10.
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| | | masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:40 | |
| - Spoiler:
I'm not a fan of 2D Zeldas, so you may have a point about that but the reasons you like it is why I don't (I do like but not that much) as I've said for years now I'm about story but will still play games about gameplay.
Super Mario Odyssey won't have much of a story but that's a game I go into knowing it won't, where Zelda I went in from the trailers that their would be a story which their isn't unless you go and chase down all the memories.
And why I reckon Persona 5 will be my GOTY due to the story.
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| | | JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:45 | |
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Yeah, as I mentioned there, story-driven folks are less likely to come away mind-blown from this than others.
I think because this is much more like the 2D Zeldas in regards to its design, it's become a lot more like those game in how it presents its story. Hell, even Ocarina of Time is a bit bare bones compared to later 3D Zeldas. I'd argue that the later 3D Zeldas took a hit in regards to pure gameplay to better build a story for Link and Zelda.
That's not to say there's not a good story in Breath of the Wild, but as you said it requires you to track down the memories. But that's an excuse for more exploration, so I'm happy enough to track them down!
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| | | masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:52 | |
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I can forgive OoT a bit due to when it came out also I didn't play it properly intill after Wind Waker which to me along with Twilight is what I expect from a Zelda.
I didn't want to do more exploration, that I went on YouTube to watch them all. If I had them as objectives, I may have done them but I went pretty much played the game A-B and job done.
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| | | JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:54 | |
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But they were objectives - they were part of the main quest. Regardless, as I said, if you're an "A-B job done" kind of gamer then this isn't really the Zelda you're looking for. I see Andy as being similar in his approach to games and that's why it's not dazzled him like the rest of the forum.
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| | | masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Mon 13 Mar 2017 - 20:58 | |
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Yeah I saw Andys posts in the Zelda thread and thought when I read them, that we would have similar feelings on the game.
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| | | The Cappuccino Kid Mani Mani Statue
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Tue 21 Mar 2017 - 21:18 | |
| That's Super Bomberman R done. The single player, as discussed in the Super Bomberman R thread, is lacklustre, humdrum, lifeless, and every other synonym of the word. The cutscenes are just pure fluff, they add nothing to what I felt was a very, very poor effort of a story campaign. The multiplayer - which has more than once been Bomberman's saving grace, natch - isn't actually that good here, with it's suspect controls and sheer lack of variety and extras. Online has noticely improved over the last fortnight, true, but even at it's best it's just okay. I can't see folk remembering this with much fondness in a six month's time, when there'll be Super Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Picross E8, E9, E10, E11, E12, E13, E14 and ARMS out by then. Not very good. 3/10. |
| | | Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Tue 21 Mar 2017 - 22:34 | |
| Finished quite a few games lately, so I'll rattle off a quick fire round:
Horizon: Zero Dawn - Great Combat, story that I think was a little overhyped, good fun Nier Automata - Simplified Platinum combat with a really fun story - play it The Final Station - Picked this up on a whim and it had me totally hooked, drive your train to the next station trying to keep your passengers full & alive, then explore a weird post apocalypse world to get the code to leave the station and get supplys for your passengers, really cool! The Little Acre - Sweet Point and Click style with logic that isn't too obtuse, a little slight but a nice evening Oxenfree - A bit too freaky for me, but my main issue was that it was a little hard to actually get the most out of the dialogue with it often cutting itself off/wanting to leave the area causing it to abruptly end. Worth a play but I think I may have been oversold on this. |
| | | JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Wed 22 Mar 2017 - 22:55 | |
| - Crumpy Andy wrote:
- Nier Automata - Simplified Platinum combat with a really fun story - play it.
My interest was piqued for this by a video put up on YouTube this week, so I'm considering picking it up. Do you need to have played its predecessor to understand the story for it, or is it a standalone thing? |
| | | Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 23 Mar 2017 - 9:23 | |
| Not at all, I think the previous one is definitely worth playing if you get a chance, but aside from a few nods to the original that'll be totally lost on you, you'll be fine without.
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| | | OrangeRakoon Disciple of Greener
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 23 Mar 2017 - 13:52 | |
| - Crumpy Andy wrote:
- Horizon: Zero Dawn - Great Combat, story that I think was a little overhyped, good fun
Nier Automata - Simplified Platinum combat with a really fun story - play it The Final Station - Picked this up on a whim and it had me totally hooked, drive your train to the next station trying to keep your passengers full & alive, then explore a weird post apocalypse world to get the code to leave the station and get supplys for your passengers, really cool! The Little Acre - Sweet Point and Click style with logic that isn't too obtuse, a little slight but a nice evening Oxenfree - A bit too freaky for me, but my main issue was that it was a little hard to actually get the most out of the dialogue with it often cutting itself off/wanting to leave the area causing it to abruptly end. Worth a play but I think I may have been oversold on this. Where do you find the time! |
| | | Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 23 Mar 2017 - 13:59 | |
| This is over about 3 weeks, but I do play almost every evening and weekend day, especially so with the recent distraction of the Switch meaning there's not much multiplayer going round. |
| | | ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Wed 29 Mar 2017 - 20:30 | |
| Bye-Bye BoxBoy!Tricky to rate, this one. The BoxBoy! games have suffered a wee bit from being released too close to each other, as I'm getting a bit bored of them now. Having said that, BBBB! shows more innovation than its one trick pony predecessor (BBB!, for the record) on most of the loosely grouped planets (a set of four or five worlds), which is great. Having said that, the best world is the last story one (World 18)... but it is totally sublime, the kind of standard that if it had been hit more consistently, I would be talking about BBBB! being a GOTY contender (I'm serious - if I play better levels than 18-4 and 18-6 this year, they'll probably have been in Super Mario Odyssey). So very much a mish-mash of a game in terms of quality, with the original still the best... just. 15/20 |
| | | Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 16:53 | |
| I don't need to buy any more games right now, but I am still tempted to get BBBB, even though you say it waits until the end to get really good. I still hope there will be a Switch HD compilation soon. Bit naughty, plonking in The Talos PrincipleWithout wanting to spoil too much... ah bollocks to it the story doesn't matter. What it is apparently about is, with humanity dying off, a group of Smart Doods have written an iterative computer program to keep all of the culture stored, should aliens find Earth in a bit. That's technically a bit of a spoiler, but - nope - still doesn't matter. Basically, the game itself is The Crystal Maze, but with Robot O'Brien (I'm on fucking fire)! You head to Roman world, Egypt World, Medieval World and Ending Ripped Off From Portal World, and solve a bunch of clever puzzles with light reflection, signal jamming, box plonking, and, by far the cleverest bit, recording yourself doing half the puzzle, and then interacting with yourself (don't). The store might be a bit bobbins; possibly hampered by the fact it arrived at a time when even its version of the Apocalypse seems optimistic (this might lead to the worst Gintendo article ever), but the brain-teaser-y of the puzzles is fantastic. You really do feel like a genius when you pick up the rewards. There are a load of "wacky" Easter Eggs, which are definitely worth hinting out for LOLs, but I should also warn that this is the first game in ages that was greatly improved with the Music Volume at 0. Also, I got motion sick. Also, the kitten does not appear in the game, and is a "clever metaphor". Uh... 8/10 - like most things. |
| | | JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 21:36 | |
| Have you played The Witness, Jimmers? It sounds like it'd be up your alley based on your write-up there. |
| | | The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 21:42 | |
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| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 22:20 | |
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| | | ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 22:29 | |
| I get that. It's like when someone tells me their favourite actor is Robert de Niro: it's easy to like perfection. You should try being a fan of The Rock. |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Thu 30 Mar 2017 - 22:38 | |
| My favourite actor is Arnold Schwarzenegger. |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Fri 31 Mar 2017 - 20:03 | |
| - Drunkalilly wrote:
- This feels like the kind of game that's so good, you can't even call it your favourite game because it says nothing about you as a person.
Absolutely agree with this. We'll need to ask about second-favourite games (and then discount Mario Galaxy in some cases) to get to someone's personality. Thing is, I don't think it'll send LoZTP crashing down my favourites chart, because they're quite different Zelda games. |
| | | Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Sun 2 Apr 2017 - 10:43 | |
| - JayMoyles wrote:
- Have you played The Witness, Jimmers? It sounds like it'd be up your alley based on your write-up there.
I haven't - I nearly bought it, but got scared by a lot of reviews saying "it's the same puzzle lots". I'll probably get it one day though! As long as there's not too much "yappity-yap", I'll probably be alright. I sound like a philistine, I know. Sorry, my tardiness in repllying has interrupted the Zelda praise, which is UNACCEPTABLE |
| | | Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: Last Game You Finished And Your Thoughts V3.0 Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 14:13 | |
| The game that needs no introduction! At long last Nintendo try their hand at the open-world genre, and as usual they ace it first try. The reasons for such a feat are simple, aside from the obvious fact they were able to look at other games and see what worked and what didn't, the game had something most games of this genre usually lack: a world with enough soul and personality that it begged to be explored. There are, of course, other things that make this game better than the Nintendo Average, chief among them is the lack of handholding past the opening section of the game. That isn't to say the game is old-school Nintendo Hard, although it can be refreshingly unforgiving for mistakes, rather it treats the player with a certain amount of respect that they are capable of dealing with the game's puzzles and challenges, with any and all handholding being strictly in the form of introduction puzzles to show the player how a mechanic works. The game of course has flaws, what game doesn't? Those flaws however are what few games manage to achieve: minor and inconsequential in the extreme when compared to the brilliance of the rest of the game. I will however take the time to address one that a lot of people love to harp on about: weapon durability. Some like to claim that this was a flaw, and while I might agree that certain cool weapons break a little bit too quickly ( early-game weapons constantly breaking is fine though, they're supposed to be s***), the idea that durability should be removed is something that is, to be blunt, tantamount to not understanding the games design. See one of the rewards the game likes offer as incentive for exploration is weaponry. The constant breaking of weapons means that weapons have a tangible value, as they are a resource that must be managed. Simply offering more of that resource becomes its own reward. But for that resource to be rewarding it must also feel limited. That is why the weapon durability is, as far as I'm concerned, an essential part of the game's design. As vital as enemies with high damage output ( which encourages either skillful play or shrine spelunking). Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people dislike getting cool weapons and then having them break, I just don't believe it a issue with the game itself but instead a matter of personal taste that has nothing to do with the game's quality. Personally I liked the fact that I had extra and constant incentives to explore. The only issue I feel really needs a dishonourable mention is the infamous frame-rate, which is at times poor even on the Switch ( unless you're playing handheld, but lets be real here, this is the type of game meant to be played on the big screen). It never gets to unplayable levels ( although Hyrule Castle gets a little nasty, especially with how important frame-perfect Guardian Beam parry deflections are in that area) but it is an issue that merits a mention. Especially considering the game's sometimes unforgiving nature, you can't have enemies that require reasonably good reflexes and skill and then hamper the player with an unstable framerate. Also, more personal dislike but I never bothered with horses because they, quiet frankly, sucked. Controlling them felt lame and I frequently just ignored them entirely because of it. There are more fun ways of travelling anyway, even if they aren't exactly intentional on the developers part. In conclusion this was easily one of the best games in recent years, possibly of all time. The marriage of the old-school ideals that were part of the creation of the original Zelda perfectly blended with the conventions of the series evolution over the last 30 years. This game will be talked about in decades to come, and stands as a perfect example of why Zelda has lasted 30 years as a critical and fan favourite gaming franchise. Final Rating: 10 out of 10I cannot give this anything short of a ten, it does so much, SO much right. The few issues I have with the game ( top tier weapons breaking well before the late-game enemies do, framerate, Ganon not really being an overt constant threat) do nothing to bring the game down, if anything they stand as aspects that can and will be improved upon going forward, and simply leave me excited to see where this franchise goes from here. |
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