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 January - March 2014 Quarterly Review: Admintendo 5 (Now With Less Admin.)

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PostJanuary - March 2014 Quarterly Review: Admintendo 5 (Now With Less Admin.)

Balladeer: Hello, and welcome to Admintendo 5: only 50% of the admins., but 100% of the flavour!  Or something.  I'm Balladeer, and as you all know, I love my Big Black Boxes of Power.  Not to mention that one game we don't talk about.

Today in the Admintendo not-studio, Stu_the_great is being replaced by Beemoh_the_funny.  Hi, Beemoh!

beemoh: Yes, hi, beemoh here.  You might remember me as Mark from the podcast, where I very much play the Alan Davies to Buska's Angus Deayton.

Balladeer: I miss Angus Deayton, although I do enjoy BoJo being a guest presenter.  Better that than a politician, anyway.

So, let's launch right into things.  It's been another fantastic quarter on the GNamer Forum, with highlights including Stu's Forum Awards and Andyman's currently running 3DS voting thread.  What have been your highlights, Funniest Forumite?

beemoh: Winning Funniest Forumite, obvs. Grin The Romantic Mishaps thread has been quite the source of humour, though.

Balladeer: Intentionally funny, or laughing at others' misfortune?  Or is that a stupid question?

beemoh: Little bit of both.  It is a good thread for actively misinterpreting what people have said.

Balladeer: Fair 'nuff!  Is… is a teabag in coffee genuinely drinkable? Meh

beemoh: One way to find out, I guess.

Balladeer: Yes…  Don't really want to though. Aww!

Myself, I was chuffed to win three awards, including the Terrible Puns Award (a.k.a. the signature award); but the whole thing was great to follow, especially when it came to reading the comments.  Hopefully Andy's will give us the same amount of enjoyment and hilarity by the time it finishes.

beemoh: Oh!  Also, the Forum Fiction.

Balladeer: Ah, excellent point.  Can't forget the steamiest steampunk story ever to enter the halls of GNamer (mostly thanks to Drunkalilly and his vampires).

beemoh: Grin

I don't really see myself as much of a writer - essay tasks were always my weak point in school, so the fact that I've managed to put out what I have has surprised me.

Balladeer: I was going to say - you now both contribute to the forum fiction and write NotanFPS.  What changed?

beemoh: Not An FPS changed for a start, I've not done that for a while

Balladeer: That's true, you haven't badgered us to visit it for a bit. Wink

beemoh: Razz

I had that marketing job this time last year, and that was all writingy.

Balladeer: That sounds like my idea of hell. Sad

beemoh: And in what we had to do there, brevity was a positive; and given that the main reason I wasn't doing very well in English at school was I struggled to pad essays out...

Balladeer: Ahhhh.  It's coming together now.  

I just didn't like writing.  Apart from silly stories about our forumites, natch.  Speaking of which, I enjoyed writing my 5000th post far more than I should have done.  I love how rich our background is, that I could draw from that for pretty much the entire thing.

Anyway, shall we move onto games?

beemoh: Smile We could.

Balladeer: That is a thing we could do.

So, what have you been playing over the last quarter?

beemoh: I finally polished off Pokémon, so I've been able to progress to the postgame and pick up the Pokémon I'd not procured previously.  And I finally got around to starting Rayman Legends.

Balladeer: RLegends is great, but I still have trouble trying to place it in the Wii U's platformer pantheon, which I'll bring up shortly.  Anything else, or did Poké X/Y take up most of the season?

beemoh: Pretty much that, as I spend so long on trains I don't have time for anything other than handhelds, at least not in depth.

Balladeer: Fair dos.  I'm afraid I polish off the main game of the Pokémon games and pretty much leave it at that.

beemoh: Can't blame you there.  You saw how many hours it took me to get this far in the podcast, didn't you?

Balladeer: I'm not sure I did.  Was that in the cut-off bit, or the bit where I couldn't hear you? Wink

beemoh: One or the other.

It was in the region of 250hrs+.

Balladeer: Shocked

beemoh: I'm only now really doing the postgame in part of my train journey.  Playing Oracle of Ages for the rest now.

Balladeer: I tried playing Seasons.  Couldn't get into it.  It's too old, too old!  I did play ALBW, though.  Maybe I've mentioned that before?  (IT'S AMAYZING.)

beemoh: A little.

Balladeer: Yes, I spent the first part of the year polishing off my Christmas gifts - SM3DW, Bravely Default and ALBW.  All good games.

beemoh: Still not touched the BD demo.

Balladeer: (Apparently the demo.'s rubbish.  Ignore it and go straight for the game.)

Then things went a bit quiet.  Think I picked up a couple of eShop games - Tokyo Tale, Cappa's baby, and that one game with a robot and no level design that everyone raves about.

beemoh: The Guild02 game?

Balladeer: …If I say "yes", I'm less likely to get lynched, right?

beemoh: I'm just trying to remember which one you mean.

Balladeer: Ah.  Steamworld Dig.

And then Tropical Freeze came along, with its brilliant soundtrack, and made it even harder to choose my favourite Wii U game.  It's currently a three-way fight between that, RLegends, and SM3DW.

Also I might complete a Pokédex for the first time… in Pokémon Link Battle.  Reminds me of Zoo Keeper, in a good way.

beemoh: Oh god, Zoo Keeper...

Balladeer: Bad memories?

beemoh: A forum I used to frequent was obsessed with that when it was a flash game.

Balladeer: It was pretty good, in a really simple way.

So yes, that's been my winter-spring.  Looking forward now… to E3!  Obvious two questions: what do you want to be announced, and what do you think will be announced?

beemoh: I'm looking forward to digging out the tweet I made two E3's ago and was able to reuse last E3:  "Does anyone remember when people used to like games, instead of just moan about them? #E3"

Balladeer: And your prediction for this year, natch.

beemoh: Indeed.

Anyway, I'd like to see Nintendo pull something new out of the bag.

Balladeer: Like a Japanese Father Christmas.

beemoh: Indeed.

That said, they've already announced Tomodachi and they might think that's enough new stuff for now.  They were right to announce Tomodachi in a Direct, though, rather than at a show.

Balladeer: Agreed.  It was hilarious though.  "All hail the Virtual Boy!"

beemoh: ^that.

There's no way that would have stuck out in between moaning about Call Of Duty and parroting whatever this year's My Body Is Ready is, so Tomodachi would have got buried and lost forever.  Even if the game flops, at least we had the entertainment value of that direct.

Balladeer: I don't think it will though.  I think we might have another ACNL on our hands.  Or maybe that's blind hope: I can't tell.

beemoh: Blind hope, most likely.

Balladeer: Boo

And what do you think we will see?  Miyamoto's talked about bringing out something new...

beemoh: If there's no Bayo I'll be surprised.  It's been too quiet on that front for too long.

Balladeer: There was something in the last Direct but two, wasn't there?  (Before the Smash Direct (OMG GRENINJA U GUYZ!!!!ONE) and the Tomodachi one.) They usually talk about it in those Directs.

beemoh: That was a while ago – and it's easy press fodder for an E3 show.  Critical darling, core game on Nintendo platform.

Balladeer: Trying to think of a Bayonetta innuendo to do with "press fodder", but it's just not happening.

beemoh: I'm sure it'll be quite the Spectacle.

Not an innuendo, but at least a pun.

Balladeer: That'll do, Mark.  That'll do.[/Babe][/pignotBayonetta]

My turn for wish lists and what will probably happen, then...  I'd like to see Miyamoto's new franchise, and a Metroid (as was teased), and I also predicted that we'd see Starfox in the predictions thread but that may be stretching.  I think they need at least a couple of big surprises for the Wii U this time around.  I'm less sure that we'll get them.

beemoh: I think SF might be more likely than Metroid.

Balladeer: Why so?  Wasn't there a showing where Reggie was wearing a Metroid pin?  Or am I imagining things?

beemoh: I think that might be people reading too much into one thing.  There's a good chance Retro will be given another dormant IP to resurrect.

Balladeer: I'd love to see them handle Starfox.  Or F-Zero.  Or Ice Climbers.  Or Devil's World.  You get my drift.

Oh, and I'd also like the small matter of Zelda U, which'll do for the gamepad what PH did for touch-screen and SS did for Motion+.  I think that's a somewhat realistic ask, actually.

beemoh: Yes.  Not sure they'll get away with pulling off another TP reveal, though: mostly due to the artful way Ubi did it with Watch Dogs the other year, then tried to do it again to noticeably less success last year with some other game I can't remember.

Balladeer: Neither can I, which underlines its success, I guess. Meh

beemoh: Still not sure where I stand on Ubi's show last year.  I like how they got the same woman in from the year before, but her act wasn't quite as funny as the year prior.

Balladeer: I don't think I can give a realistic appraisal.  I don't like any of their franchises bar RLegends, and now Child of Light.  So I didn't watch it.  It'd be like me trying to appraise SMK…  Oh wait.

beemoh: I might be thinking of the metashow, where they went down the route of getting a comedian in to compère rather than an exec like everyone else does.

Balladeer: Not the stupidest idea ever.

beemoh: Note Microsoft's quite brazen attempt at celebritising (for want of a better/real word) its own exec team.

Balladeer: Poor old Don Mattrick, eh?  (Who is neither poor nor old.)

beemoh: Also Nintendo's more successful accidental celebritising of their execs.

Balladeer: Yup!  Again, see Tomodachi.

Back on topic (don't know what I expected, doing this with you.  Pretty much this, actually), I also reckon we might finally see some Yoshi Yarn/Yarn Yoshi.  That'd be nice.  People would call it kiddy/the end for Nintendo again, but it'd be nice.

Also some Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, for those who like those franchises.  About time that showed its massive-eyed face.

beemoh: Ooh, forgot about Yarn Yoshi.  Who's publishing SMTxFE, BTW?  Nintendo or Atlus?

Balladeer: I'd have to Wiki it.  (Wikis)  Nintendo.  Atlus and Intelligent Systems are joint-developing.  Something I might try, but the last crossover I played stung me.  They'd have to meld the gameplay types a bit better than Layton and Wright did.

beemoh: I haven't played SMT enough to know how that will go.  Is it a strat-RPG like FE or a more standard JRPG?

Balladeer: I'm going to put that question to the forum, because I too know very little about the franchise.  I think it's a standard JRPG with a branching storyline, but I'm not sure.  I know that certain people go crazy over it, though.

beemoh: Yeah, I can see that rubbing up against the FE gameplay poorly.

Balladeer: I didn't like the FE gameplay myself, so if they go for a more SMT-y approach that'll probably be good for me.

beemoh: I liked FE, but I’m struggling to get into XCOM, which is The Same.

Balladeer: Time to move onto our final topic, then?

beemoh: Yes, onwards.

Balladeer: Stu's idea, this one: given where they are at the moment, what would you like to see Nintendo have achieved by the end of this year?  (Apart from releasing a Mario Kart, two Smash Bros. games, and a mad-as-a-hatters'-trade-union Sims-like affair.)

beemoh: Not a trade union fan, Balla? Razz

Balladeer: Of course not!  Bloody oiks, trying to mobilise against the glorious upper-class!

(I jest.  I'm actually pretty left wing - it's just that lots of hatters are probably madder than one.)

beemoh: Oh, if only I did the edit here Grin Anyway, on topic...

Balladeer: Makes a change. Razz

beemoh: I'd like to see a more compelling gamepad game, certainly.  The most exciting thing they've managed really is off-TV play, and that's not good enough.  

Balladeer: And Miiverse, but yes, I agree.  I'm hoping that Zelda will deliver, like it always does, but it's mad to think that Nintendo released the console with only a vague idea of what to do with the damn thing.

beemoh: That's true.

Off-TV is a terrible idea anyway, but that's an aside.

Balladeer: I like off-TV myself.  Each to their own.

beemoh: I might be overthinking this a little, and I think I've made this point on GNamer as well, but it's kind of this big message that gaming is inferior to TV, certainly a bigger on than *that* XBox One event; and coming back down to one screen negates the two-screen format, as you can't then use the second screen for anything.  

Playing games away from the TV is great, but we've already got handhelds for that.  Mainly from the same firm.

Balladeer: I agree that there should be better uses for both screens together, but where there aren't (and there don't always have to be) it's nice to be able to play console games sprawled on the sofa at a funny angle to the telly.  (Sometimes I do this.)  

As for the "inferior-to-TV" thing, I think that's the first I've heard of it, and I'm not sure that I agree.  It seems to be more about them coexisting, especially within a family.  Although I'm not quite sure if Nintendo are still targeting the family market with the Wii U…  Anyway, I think/hope you're over thinking that side of things.

beemoh: More than likely.

Balladeer: Anyway, big dual-screen using game - anything else off the top of your head?

beemoh: Think that might be it, really.  Maybe better third party support?

Balladeer: As is always the case.  Sigh.

beemoh: But then we moan about that pretty much every day anyway, year end isn't anything special.

Balladeer: On that topic, I'd like to see all the indie offerings finally coming out.  Presumably they're all being held up by M$' stupid parity policy at the moment. Evil or Very Mad

beemoh: Yes, that.  Thing is, I'm not sure XB1 is a big enough force for that to truly matter yet.

Balladeer: Not for some, maybe.  I reckon a lot of indies feel that they need every platform they can get, and probably don't want to upset such a big market force.

beemoh: True.


beemoh: I suppose really indies see consoles as a 'nice to have', it's not central to their business model like it is for AAA.

Balladeer: That's true.  They always have Steam and even iOS.

beemoh: Most of the media narrative around indies has been about how they're making money on PC alone.  Now I know that's going to get overblown because PC gamers are the most up themselves of all the gamer demographics (ooh, controversial) and that'll change the tone of the reporting, but there's no smoke without fire on that one.

Balladeer: GLORIOUS PC MASTER RACE.  But yep, you have a point.

beemoh: There's one ex-AAA indie dev I follow on Twitter, and most of what he's got to say on the matter is that it'd be really cool to be on a Nintendo platform.  Not profitable: cool.  And there's a lot to be said for passion over profits, but that does kind of imply that it's not a necessity.

Balladeer: Is that the case for most of them, do you think?  I've heard a lot of good news about Nintendo's indie support, but we all know what they're like with third-parties.  (i.e. not always great.)

beemoh: Probably.  It’s all "hero worship" not "success strategy".  I think it's like YouTubers trying to make a jump to TV.

Balladeer: Speaking of TV (master sequitur there), I'd like to see a big marketing push this year.  They've got MK8, two SSBs, and Tomodachi all coming out.  Surely it's time to really give the marketing levers a good hard heave?  Surely?

beemoh: Yep.  It's strange that there hasn't been so much marketing from Nintendo, considering that the Wii's success is very much down to canny marketing (i.e.: spending).

Balladeer: We're all wondering that (he says, generalising expertly).  Smugness from the Wii's success, do you think?  Like Sony last time around?  And shouldn't that smugness have worn off by now?

beemoh: Not a clue.

Balladeer: It is a mystery. Confused

beemoh: There's definitely a 'rising tide' element to it, except the tide hasn't really risen.

Back to overthinking: gaming hasn't really made any great stride into the mainstream as a result of Wii, in that stuff like BBC News sees Flappy Bird as a strange novelty.

Balladeer: 'Phone games have, I'd say.  Them and Facebook games.  Consoles – not so much.

beemoh: Even then, there is this feeling that all the Flappy Bird coverage could be replaced with the sentence "Why is a game succeeding?" and be exactly the same.

Balladeer: Because PewDiePie.  Sadly.

beemoh: ?

Balladeer: He published a video of himself playing it, and then it took off (dohoho).  Gaming may not have the biggest mainstream presence, but it's got a hell of a Youtube presence.

beemoh: Probably the other half of the same whole.

Point is, Wii U isn't popping up on the daytime TV shows that Wii did.  Those shows haven't brought games – even mobile ones – into their discussion as a permanent fixture.  So it's not like Wii U can expect to hoover up attention just for existing, and I think Nintendo were expecting that to happen.

Balladeer: Perhaps.  That would explain the lack of marketing at the start: less so now.  Ho hum.

So, final score on that question: gamepad usage, third-party and indie support, marketing.  And Paul Merton and Victoria Coren-Mitchell have 7.  Or something.

I'd usually ask about what you're interested in over the next quarter, Beemoh, but perhaps I can make a decent guess.  MK8 and E3; or just MK8?

beemoh: E3 certainly.  Will there be a BBoP price drop in the next quarter?  Probably not.

Balladeer: Bone, perhaps.  Surely not the PS4?  It's been selling better than sex since its release.

beemoh: I wouldn't know anything about the success of the sex trade myself.  Is there something you're not telling us?

Balladeer: Nor would I. Embarrassed

beemoh: One might drop before 4, but then it's still early enough that Sony might blink if they do that and come down to join them.

Balladeer: Prisoners' Dilemma?

beemoh: Not really, as they both know what's going on.

Balladeer: There's my attempt at looking clever ruined. Sulk

beemoh: Muhaha.

Balladeer: I'm looking forward to more or less the same things: E3 and MK8.  

Oh, and Tomodachi if it's this quarter (can't remember if it's June or July).  We've known about that game's European release for less than a week, and already I'm ridiculously hyped.  Only Nintendo.

beemoh: I think really we should refer to Tomodachi Life as how it will be played:

Hitler Island.

Balladeer: I dunno, Mii Jong-Un has his chubby eyes set pretty firmly on the best flat.  We'll see how things pan out.  Maybe they'll get along? Very Happy

beemoh: I can see Ghandii being the biggest troublemaker.  You know: like in Civ!

Balladeer: I played Civ once, when I was about seven.  With cheats on.  So no, I don't really. Sad

beemoh: Basically, the first leader to make big threats is almost inevitably Ghandi.

Balladeer: Laughing Just like in real life!

Anyway, anything more to say before we sign off and I start the proof-reading?  Praising some obscure console that nobody's heard of, like Mas did? Wink

beemoh: Praise the sun!

Balladeer: ...Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand with that, it's good-bye from Balladeer...

beemoh: Yeah, tara.

Have I Got a Bit More Admintendo for You

beemoh: A forum I used to frequent was obseed with that when it was a flash game.


Balladeer: (I'll proof-read before I post it up, don't worry about spelling.)

beemoh: np

It’s just my inner pedant.  I can't control it.

Balladeer: I know how you feel. (nods sagely)

beemoh: There's this small building my train to work passes, probably a substation or something; and it has, inevitably, been graffiti'd.  But worse than that, one bit is so obviously unfinished, and that annoys me more than the act of graffiting does.

Balladeer: Laughing Yep, I'd probably feel the same.  Or worse: if it read something like "I f***ed you're mum."  That would be truly terrible.

beemoh: Yes.

Balladeer: Where's Oldschool when you need him to agree with something?
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January - March 2014 Quarterly Review: Admintendo 5 (Now With Less Admin.) :: Comments

ZeroJones wrote:
For me, if Nintendo were going to go down the buying a studio route to 'replace' Rare, it would be either Retro or Platinum.

Nintendo already own Retro- it was founded with their money by ex-Turok devs.
beemoh wrote:
ZeroJones wrote:
For me, if Nintendo were going to go down the buying a studio route to 'replace' Rare, it would be either Retro or Platinum.

Nintendo already own Retro- it was founded with their money by ex-Turok devs.

... balls. Embarrassed
Ooh, I didn't see this appear! Great read, as ever folks. I'll take beemoh's description as a compliment, I tHink.
Masofdas wrote:
that's Nintendo's problem really for not making a system 3rd parties want to make game for.

That's not entirely true, remember how a bunch of third parties were on board prior to launch & how they said Nintendo were listening/working closer than ever before? I can't help but feel Nintendo got left in the lurch in a bit with only a handful of devs keeping their promise.

Also as I've always said as far as games go give me quality over quantity, for example I'd rather have one game that I can play for 100's of hours over say 5 that don't last me anywhere near that length of time.
True but take MGSV:GZ if you only look at the main game of it, it's 2hrs I'd sooner have 5 of those then 1 game that last me 100 hrs.
That's not the best example/game to use there as Ground zeroes' length is totally dependant on the type of player you are, if you're a completionist then you aren't going to see everything it has to offer in two hours.

Anyhow, not sure why I brought hours/game length into it as that alone doesn't show if a game is quality or not I should've ended with this:

Quote :
Also as I've always said as far as games go give me quality over quantity.
The_Jaster wrote:

Anyhow, not sure why I brought hours/game length into it as that alone doesn't show if a game is quality or not I should've ended with this:

Quote :
Also as I've always said as far as games go give me quality over quantity.

Yeah you should of as your statement was like you'd sooner have quantity eg a 100hr game which could be like of Two World's over 5 shorter games which could be far better quality eg The Last of Us. I know you can have both like Monster Hunter quality and length.

I've said during this discussion that Nintendo's exclusive will be better then Sony's & Microsoft's this year, so quality but the point was that's all there will be on the Wii U. Where's on the PS4 you can get what you would hope to be quality titles in Dragon Age III, Destiny, The Division for example with the few decent offerings from Sony eg The Order.

One of the reason's I love the dreamcast so much as the library is rather small 260ish games but nearly everyone of them is quality but take the PS2 which more then likely has 2000 games on it but only 25 games could be considered quality. So the PS2 definitely has the quantity but not the quality of the DC.
Mas wrote:
so quality but the point was that's all there will be on the Wii U.

I don't see why this is a bad thing. Smile

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