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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:15

S&P The firmest No I can possibly give

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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:23

Still haven't played the original Paper Mario.
I think the reason I love Snap is how much it showed and let me interact with Pokémon in their natural habitats, acting like real living things. Don't get enough of that in the games. Even when they tried a big, 3D game in Coliseum the Pokémon still weren't properly roaming the world. Plus its a nice chill-out game for a hungover Sunday or any time I don't feel up to much.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:23

Boo Andy as Balla has before he doesn't like shooters but he said yes to goldeneye, because you don't like S&P doesn't mean it's not a classic. I even said yes to Super Metroid.

Oh on these
Lylat Wars, Yes
Pokémon Snap, Yes
F-Zero X, Yes
WWF No Mercy, Yes
Doom 64, No sorry Drunka but it's not the classic Doom
Paper Mario, Yes
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:29

I get the "roaming the land", Drunka, but it's not enough to make it a classic for me.

I'm not actually sure about S&P myself. I played it, but much later, and couldn't really get into it. S&P2 was better for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:33

S&P2 is the better game Yes, and I didn't play S&P till late either but the question is it a classic N64 game and that answer is Yes, I remember people importing it to play it as we didn't get it here and it be that good for the time and still holds up pretty well today.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:34

I really think S&P is a bad game though... It's not based on my issues with the genre, I'm not going to vote down Lylat Wars too when it comes up, I actively like KI:U, I really think S&P is a big pile of wank.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:45

Lylat Wars has come up, Really I should be getting you all to say Yes to Space Station Silicon Valley over S&P (your still mad Andy) then anything.

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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:51

That's definitely a "cult classic" rather than a "classic".
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 11:53

SM64 - Yes of course
LoZOoT - Yes
LoZMM - Yes
Blast Corps - Abstain
MK64 Y - Yes
Goldeneye - Yes
Space Station Silicon Valley - Great game but would call a classic so No
S&P - Abstain
Conker's BFD - Abstain
Lylat Wars - Yes
Pokémon Snap - Again its great but not a classic, No
F-Zero X - Yes
WWF No Mercy - Abstain
Doom 64 - No
Paper Mario - Yes

I'll add the following for Consideration:

Banjo-Kazooie
Diddy Kong Racing
Dk64
Perfect Dark
Smash Bros
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 13:44

Ooh, I've got some controversial opinions here! DKR came nowhere near MK64 which came out first (and it left almost no legacy), DK64 was just bad, and Smash Bros. only really got going the generation after. Ns for them from me, Ys to B-K and Perfect Dark (which I never played).
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 14:31

All these Rare games! I'll try and get them played a bit by the end of the week so I can comment.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 15:04

On Lemons
Banjo-Kazooie, Yes
Diddy Kong Racing, Yes it's not one of best selling N64 games for no reason
DK64, No
Perfect Dark, Yes
Smash Bros, A bit like Final Fantasy & Metroid it might of started it of but didn't become a classic game in till the next system that it's a No
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 19:19

One big game not on the list so far: Mario Tennis. Still the best sports game in my opinion, unbeaten to this day, and placed in Cappa's Mario votes thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 20:44

Lots to vote on!

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Nothing else to put forward, as folks have already covered everything I wanted to nominate!
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 20:58

Yay to Jay saying to Yes S&P.

nothing Jay there's so many more great games.

On Mario Tennis, Yes

Looks like Conker won't be going in which is a shame as it's the Top 5 N64 IMO.

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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 21:01

I'm sure there are, but I've not played too many N64 games so I can't really nominate anything else now!
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 21:07

Feel free to suggest a couple more, Mas. At the moment, despite your claims, there have been fewer games put forward for the N64 in total than classics on the SNES!

From what I've heard of CBFD, and seen in my watch-through on Youtube, it's a story-centric game that doesn't really have an overarching story. A series of anecdotes dubiously strung together. I've also seen a lot of different gameplay styles, and wonder whether that's not the same. I've no strong opinion, but if I were going one way or the other, it'd be towards "No".
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 21:17

Conker is excellent to play and really funny, it's arguably RAREs best game.

I would add these to the mix:
Jet Force Gemini
Pokemon Stadium
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
Star Wars: Rouge Squadron
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 21:29

Ah yes, the famous cosmetics-based Star Wars game. Wink

SotE I remember getting 70-something per cent in issue one of N64, where they essentially broke the game down into five good and five bad levels. Not classic material.
I enjoyed PS, but it's not a classic either: apart from being upstaged on the console by its sequel, if you're going to offer little outside prettier-than-GB battling make sure you have a sound underlying battle system. The RBY generation didn't. (I put RBY in on the basis of its world, not its battling.)
Dunno about RL; JFG gets a yes-but-I-haven't-played-it.
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptySun 23 Aug 2015 - 22:30

I'll pick more out later when I have time but stand out yeses are:

Goldeneye
WWF No Mercy
Paper Mario
Ocarina of time
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptyMon 24 Aug 2015 - 8:26

So... so many... Shocked

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Didn't say 'NO' to many there... and I've played far fewer N64 games than I thought. Embarrassed
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptyMon 24 Aug 2015 - 18:36

Mario 64 - Yes
F-zero X - Yes
DK64 - No
Perfect Dark - abstain
Smash bros - Yes
Lylat Wars - Yes
Mario Kart 64 - Yes
Banjo-Kazooie - Yes


.......was Wave race mentioned? That's a yes for me & I'll put forward 1080 snowboarding, also a lot of you seem to be fans of snowboard kids as well so what about that?


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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptyMon 24 Aug 2015 - 18:39

Wave Race & 1080° both Yes's
Snowboard Kids, No
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptyMon 24 Aug 2015 - 21:55

Blimey, I was only here yesterday!

Right:
SM64 - Irrelevant yes
LoZOoT - Irrelevant yes
LoZMM - Irrelevant yes
Blast Corps - Abstain (never played it!)
MK64 - Irrelevant yes
Goldeneye - Irrelevant yes
Space Station Silicon Valley - Yes - even with the game-breaking bug
S&P - Abstain (not my thing)
Conker's BFD - Controversial No - I love Rare, but, beyond the *snigger* factor it's a bit shonky
Lylat Wars - Irrelevant yes
Pokémon Snap - Abstain
F-Zero X - Yes
WWF No Mercy - Abstain
Doom 64 - No. No no no.
Paper Mario - Yes
B-K - Irrelevant yes
DKR - Abstain
DK64 - Yes. Just
Perfect Dark - Yes
Smash Bros. - Yeah! Even though it's been improved on.
Mario Tennis - Yes. Less gimmicky than its successors
JFG - Abstainy
Pokémon Stadium - Uh, so
SWSotE - Abstainy
SWRS - Abstainery
Wave Race - Anbstainery
Snowboard Kids - YES YES YES YES YES YES

New challengers (I know, sorry, complicated):
Pilotwings 64 - YES - Proper sequel next time Nintendo
The New Tetris - YES - I know I'm on a losing battle here, but the gold/silver square mechanic actually adds something
Worms Armageddon - YES - N64 version might be best version
Banjo Tooie - YES - A bit bloated compared with the original, but actually made a good "finale".
Mario Party 2 - YES
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PostSubject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles   Counting Classics on Consoles - Page 6 EmptyMon 24 Aug 2015 - 22:43

Pilotwings 64 - No
The New Tetris - No
Worms Armageddon - No
Banjo Tooie - Yes
Mario Party 2 - Yes
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