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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Mon 17 Aug 2015 - 17:39 | |
| Super Star Wars, Yes Super Mario All Stars, Yes |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Mon 17 Aug 2015 - 21:50 | |
| I'll also fire a yes at both those - Super Star Wars is one of the best Star Wars games out there and it'd be hypocritical of us not to have Super Mario All-Stars in there considering we've already put half of it in. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 13:03 | |
| Ouch, Drunka. That happened to me with an edit. Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C definitely recommended before a large post.
CT is in, Andy! And it's definitely a classic.
Jay, that's exactly why I've downvoted SMAS. It's a compilation of classics (and SMB2/LL), but it's not a classic itself. It adds almost nothing of note. Nobody's going to give the Kirby/Mario anniversary compilations classic status, I presume? Then SMAS doesn't deserves classic status either. |
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 16:37 | |
| I lose posts all the time, the worst time was losing my votes for Zero's thread As for All stars I really love the graphical overhaul. I've never gotten on with the nes versions and that's probably because I played All Stars. I can't speak for the Kirby one, but the Mario Anniversary collection wasn't a great port and literally did nothing on top of the SNES version. |
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The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 18:07 | |
| I'll throw yeses to Chrono trigger and Super Star wars.
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On the losing posts front, what's the the keyboard short cut to go back a page? As I've done that a few times without realising how. (I'm on a chromebook so it may be different) |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 18:38 | |
| Backspace, when you don't have a cursor in the text area. - andyman949 wrote:
- As for All stars I really love the graphical overhaul. I've never gotten on with the nes versions and that's probably because I played All Stars. I can't speak for the Kirby one, but the Mario Anniversary collection wasn't a great port and literally did nothing on top of the SNES version.
But by the same logic, OoT3D should be a classic. OoT, sure - OoT prettied up, with minimal other changes? Nah. |
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 20:00 | |
| I wouldn't object to that either to be honest. It has Master Quest and the improved touch screen menu for iron boots and that'd suit me if I cared enough about the game.
I suppose the issue lies in where you're defining the line of a classic, I'm going to remember the best version as the classic myself, albeit I struggle to put on my nostalgia specs to rave about a game that doesn't hold up today. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Tue 18 Aug 2015 - 20:17 | |
| We do indeed have very different definitions of classics. I'm no great nostalgia person myself, yet I upvoted SMK. But each to their own! |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 10:32 | |
| Reason I went Yes to SMAS is because if you told me you were buying a SNES and asked what were classic game to pick up, SMAS would be one of them.
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 10:40 | |
| - masofdas wrote:
- Reason I went Yes to SMAS is because if you told me you were buying a SNES and asked what were classic game to pick up, SMAS would be one of them.
I wasn't keen on SMAS going in at first, but that's quite a good angle so I'm gonna give it a YES. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 10:54 | |
| I'm presuming that we've gone in chronological order, and that the person you're making a recommendation to has already played SMB and SMB3 - otherwise, again, you'd say the same for OoT3D. Also, I kinda feel there needs to be some creative effort gone into a classic (gameplay, innovation, ideas, story), which just shinying-up doesn't really signify to my mind.
We're getting into "videogames as art" here. Anyway, it's currently at 4-1 and looking like going in. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 11:17 | |
| If someone was buying a 3DS, I would say buy OoT3D as it's a classic game but is it a classic 3DS game that's a bit iffy as is it a classic 3DS game, is there any that we won't know for years.
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Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 12:14 | |
| That's why to me the latest games discussion will be much more interesting. At the moment a lot of this is really obvious, as we get more recent it'll be a crazy list. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 12:17 | |
| Yeah it will be as if we do others likely PS360 could be interesting what we deem as classica. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 12:17 | |
| I'm not doing 3DS or Wii U for the reason Mas described, pretty much. I will do the Wii and DS, however.
In fact, one of the very few remakes that might be considered a classic is HGSS. That game really added so much to the original. |
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ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 20:38 | |
| Well, that's exploded somewhat since I last posted! - Mes Votes, Messieurs Et Mesdames:
Mega Man X - YES Donkey Kong Country - YES Super Mario RPG - YES Actraiser - ABSTAIN Super Tennis - ABSTAIN Pop'n Twinbee - NO Super Bomberman 2 - YES Lemmings - YES Sim City - YES Sensible Soccer - ABSTAIN Cannon Fodder - ABSTAIN Doom - ABSTAIN Cybernator - YES Legend Of The Mystical Ninja - YES NBA Jam - YES Super R-Type - NO Super Punch-Out!! - ABSTAIN Chrono Trigger - YES Yoshi's Island - YES YES YES Super Ghouls'n'Ghosts - ABSTAIN Killer Instinct - NO Illusion Of Time - NO Super Castlevania IV - YES Soul Blazer - ABSTAIN Turtles In Time - ABSTAIN Donkey Kong Country 2 - NO Super Mario Kart - YES Super Star Wars - YES Super Mario All-Stars - YES
Some fairly serious abstains there... |
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Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 23:00 | |
| Interesting debate over SMAS, guys. I think... I'm gonna say yes. I initially said no, for the "just a compilation" train of thought. And... yeah to Super Star Ward, even though it's a tad janky. Although there have been good Star Wars games since, the actual (best) film has only been game-ified in Lego form since then. |
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Wed 19 Aug 2015 - 23:04 | |
| Balla, I was going through the list of games put forward so far and I saw you'd said no to Super Punch Out - I'm curious as to why you gave it a thumbs down. |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Thu 20 Aug 2015 - 11:52 | |
| Urk, caught! And I would've gotten away with it too... When I think of P-O, I think of the original, simply. I had to Google SP-O to find out what it looks like. Maybe it should have been an abstain? Doesn't make much difference. - Jimbob wrote:
- Interesting debate over SMAS, guys. I think... I'm gonna say yes. I initially said no, for the "just a compilation" train of thought.
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JayMoyles Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Thu 20 Aug 2015 - 22:12 | |
| Yeah, fair! I gave it a yes as it's a great game (better than the first, in my opinion) and still reasonably well known. |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 23 Aug 2015 - 9:25 | |
| Woo am I right in thinking N64 starts today |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 23 Aug 2015 - 9:29 | |
| Yeah, I've been lazy. That's 26 classics for the SNES! Although some only just had enough votes (Cybernator). Let's break out the N64 stuff! Three obvious ones and a wild card:
SM64 Y 9-0 LoZOoT Y 9-0 LoZMM Y 8-0 Blast Corps Y 2-1 MK64 Y 9-0 Goldeneye Y 9-0 Space Station Silicon Valley N 2-3 S&P A 3-2 Conker's BFD A 1-2 Lylat Wars Y 9-0 Pokémon Snap N 3-3 F-Zero X A 8-0 WWF No Mercy A 5-0 Doom 64 N 1-5 Paper Mario Y 9-0 B-K Y 9-0 DKR N 3-1 DK64 N 3-4 Perfect Dark Y 6-0 Smash Bros. N 5-3 Mario Tennis Y 6-0 JFG Y 3-2 Pokémon Stadium N 3-4 SWSotE N 1-3 SWRS A 2-1 Wave Race 64 Y 5-0 1080 Y 5-0 Snowboard Kids Y 4-2 Pilotwings 64 Y 4-1 The New Tetris N 1-3 Worms Armageddon A 1-3 Banjo Tooie A 4-1 Mario Party 2 N 3-2 MNSG A 1-2 Yoshi's Story N 2-4 Mario Golf A 6-0 Shadowman A 2-3 Turok Y 5-1 ISS 64 A 4-2 Mission Impossible N 1-5 RE2 A 2-2 Ogre Battle 64 N 1-3 PS2 Y 3-3 Kirby 64 N 1-1 Body Harvest A 1-0 Turok 2 N 1-1 Excite Bike 64 A 1-0
Have at it.
Last edited by Balladeer on Fri 28 Aug 2015 - 7:22; edited 17 times in total (Reason for editing : Drunken voting.) |
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masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 23 Aug 2015 - 9:59 | |
| I still reckon there will be more then 26 N64 games as I can think of about 50 that could be classics.
SM64, Yes LoZOoT, Yes LoZMM, Yes Blast Corps, No
I will add Mario Kart 64 GoldenEye Space Station Silicon Valley Sin and Punishment Conker's Bad Fur Day
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Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:08 | |
| Mario 64 Of course. We pretty much wouldn't have modern 3D games without this, and even ignoring the historical significance this is a bloody fun game that will never get old. Ocarina of Time Another no-brainer. An emotional journey and breathtaking experience, not to mention that the world owes as much of a debt to this as it does Mario. Majora's Mask The black sheep of the Zelda family, this is an unforgettable, surreal masterpiece that wonderfully complements OoT's grand heroics with a more intimate, sombre tale. Blast Corps Abstain, unfortunately. That said, I have Rare Replay now so this could change by the end of the week! Mario Kart 64 Probably my least favourite home Mario Kart, but the worst MK is still a great game! A yes from me. GoldenEye Yes, of course. Space Station Silicon Valley Abstain. Sin and Punishment I'll give this one a yes. Conker's Bad Fur Day Same as Blast Corps. I'll get back to you!
A few from me:
Lylat Wars Pokémon Snap F-Zero X WWF No Mercy Doom 64 (secretly one of the best Dooms) |
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Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: Counting Classics on Consoles Sun 23 Aug 2015 - 10:15 | |
| I don't see what some people (not lots, but a vocal minority) see in Snap. A good game, but not great, with only six levels and interesting but limited gameplay. A good game, but not a classic to me.
I'm torn on F0X. The original was a classic, GX is probably, but F0X is the weird middle child that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. It was good fun though. Abstain. |
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