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 Pokémon Master Sword and Hylian Shield - Which box legendary is best? (LEAK-FREE ZONE FROM PAGE 7 ONWARDS)

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Which box legendary is your favourite?
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You've done me a solid here (as someone who doesn't have the patience to write a long post) by having every single point you've made summarise my feelings towards the game and why I rate it so highly in my top Switch games.

My only real niggle that's stopped me personally getting more time out of it than I already have is that there's no particularly interesting way to chain for Shiny Pokémon. It turned out to be pretty much what I'd have expected, would I personally like more from it feature-wise? Definitely, I know it was never gonna be the perfect sprawling epic I would like it to be but it's on its way.
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Here we go...

Buskalilly wrote:
Whereas here, I just straight-up disagree. The wild area was great, and it made going back post-game to fill my dex the most fun it has ever been. Add in cool, modern multiplayer stuff like Raids and it's a total win for me.

I've thought of another reason why I didn't like it in the meanwhile! Laughing This one's utterly subjective, but I think I prefer the structure of meeting new Pokémon at a certain point in the game, when you're meant to, building up the power and species of your team rather than having almost all of them available early.  Unless they went full open-world, in which case I might adjust to it.  This halfway house worked as well as the backtracking sections in Luigi's Mansion 3.

The Raids unfortunately are pretty bad in single-player, with AI allies that have wonderful Pokémon like Magikarp and all the brainpower of one too.  I actually think that's another point against it, as was putting TRs behind Raids and even taking the reverse step that was TRs in the first place.

Buskalilly wrote:
"Good pacing" doesn't mean "the same pacing throughout". You have slower parts, faster parts, quiet moments to breathe and rushes of action. I genuinely think this game had great pacing!

You did have those things, but I felt that the pace changed in sporadic random ways that didn't feel like they were building towards anything and gave me whiplash as a result.

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I'm not sure if you mean Rose & Co or The Royalty, but either way I think it was actually done well. I've said this elsewhere, but deliberate or not I like the angle that as a young teen Pokemon Trainer, I wasn't really involved in the main plot until the adults already fucked it up. Also, Rose as an Elon Musk Tory was a great villain. I wanted to kick his dick off from the moment he appeared on screen.

Rose & Co - the Royalty get a free pass for being postgame content.  I actually think it's bad game/story design that you're barely involved in the main plot until the end, even though I can understand why some might like it.  The whole point of playing a single-player game is to get involved in the plot.  It's not a TV show where you follow multiple characters!  Let me feel like I've earned those story beats!

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You barely use the water 'cycle outside of the Wild Area.
 
And? Better than Hoenn amounts of water . . .

Like the Wild Area, this feels like something where they should've gone big (had a steadily evolving bike throughout the game that, say, got tires that could go over different terrains, used electricity to power things up etc.) or gone home (not used water as an obstacle given that the solution was so throwaway).  They did neither and it felt unfinished.

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No legendary trio!?
Let the past die, kill it if you have to. Although, they've alluded to new versions/ additions to two previous trios being in the DLC, so whatcha gonna do?

Buy the DLC natch, because I am a Nintendo shill and there's not much else new and big and shiny until Origami King.  It's not specifically the lack of a trio, but more that there was nowhere I could explore and stumble across a rare one-off special-feeling Pokémon.  I could've shortened that to 'there was nowhere I could explore' given my thoughts about the Wild Area I guess.

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I feel like Piers got a pretty decent showing? I'd have liked more Oleanna if anyone, she seems like she's way deeper than we got to see. At least we got a decent amount of Best Girl Marnie and perfect idiot Bede.

He got more time in the postgame I think.  Agreed about Oleanna, Marnie, and Bede.

Buskalilly wrote:
Leon was a cracking rival, he really felt like this larger-than-life, unbeatable presence and I was SO hyped for that battle.

Personal taste here: I just really hated him.  The larger-than-life stuff, the posing, and even though Rose was obviously a git Leon's 'SOD THE ENVIRONMENT I WANNA DO SPORTS' didn't paint him in a good light in that scene either.  It wasn't even satisfying to bring him down in the end because he took it so well.  In fact, he reminds me a lot of Klavier Gavin from Apollo Justice.  That's not a compliment.

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Hop was also a fantastic little character, with a genuine journey full of emotion. That look when he finally gets to the championship but you beat him? Kind of heart-breaking. It really leaned into something that was only implied in previous rivalries.

I think he had the potential to be that character.  In LLP you mentioned him losing his way and abandoning his Wooloo, and yes, I think if they'd stuck to that he could have been great; but it feels like half the team wanted to give him that journey and half the team still thought that Hau and his perpetual peppy optimism made for a good rival.  So you'd beat him down, and he'd turn up the next time bouncing along like a puppy.  With some better writing this might have come across as a façade, but I don't think it did.

If there's one thing writing these points has taught me it's that above and beyond Sword/Shield feeling unfinished, it feels like there were areas that were caught between two courses of action and kind of came out stuffing both.  That's the reason it reminded me of LM3 near the beginning, with its 'hey look there's backtracking like a Metroidvania but we're not actually going to do anything with it' lack of approach.  That is kind of understandable, given that I'm sure they want to do new things and go new places with a franchise that has a large, existing, and in parts rabid fanbase.  I don't know what the solution is, but giving them the condensed cycle they surely have to stick to for the sake of the rest of the media behemoth ain't it.

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And there we go. Please don't take this as me attacking you, or attempting to take you down. I'm not angling for Super Genius DESTROYS Stupid Liberal With Facts and Logic or anything here. I just wanted to show you how my mind works on this stuff. I'm not an apologist for Nintendo, and I don't just feel so strongly the positive aspects that I ignore the negative; it's simply that I genuinely don't have the issues you have with the game.

There are plenty of things, even including games made by Nintendo, with which I do have issues. I think I've done a pretty good job of dishing out kickings when I want to?

Likewise, please don't assume that by responding to your responses I don't respect your reasoning/thought process, or don't want you to love the game - which I'm sure I'm not going to change anyway.  It's great that you loved it!  I wish I could overlook the issues like you and Smurf (I really don't mind Shinies) and find a new Top Tier Game.  I guess I just wanted to respond to the responses.

...that said, I can't remember the last time you dished out a kicking to a Nintendo game.  Or maybe you did but I saw the 10/10 on the end and it didn't register as a result. Laughing

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I mean honestly, you're just asking me to do it when you say something like this. But I guess that's to be expected from a low-testosterone simp who would rather be cucked by feminazis than play real games, for real men, about a real league, with real monsters.

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Going to have to agree with Balla on this one as SWiSH has a lot of issues, still was a fun game and till Animal Crossing was my most played Switch game because the core Pokémon gameplay is still excellent just everything around it brought it down.

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Oooh, Balla, you've lost all credibility there - Mas is with you :p

I slagged off Luigi's Mansion a fair bit in places?

Anyway, I can definitely see the ways this game is being pulled in a few different directions, and even the parts which needed a lot more time in the oven. Nonetheless, I liked it a lot.

Also: I mostly did raids offline! Working against my useless teammates was part of the challenge.
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I dunno, you seemed to still be really keen on it overall! Maybe you gave it a kicking and then a rub-down afterwards with scented oils while pouring it a drink. Wink

These things are absolutely going to impact people to different degrees. As long as none of those degrees are ‘death threats to Game Freak’ it’s all good.
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If Teddiursa and Cubone are not in Sword and Shield by the time the second DLC is out, I will burn down masuda's house.
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