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PostSubject: Re: 6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox   6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube,  PlayStation 2, Xbox - Page 10 EmptyFri 3 Dec 2021 - 11:13

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@Buskalilly wrote:
In fairness, I think even ardent Xbox-lovers kind of ignore the OG and start their love from the 360.

Personally OG Xbox miles in front of the other Xboxes because of the exclusives, where sure 360 had new IPs such as Gears but certainly felt like it had less.


Considering the 360 was around for 8 years and the OG Xbox less than 4 (in Europe at least), you're probably right. Also, I completely forgot it had Half-Life 2 and Silent Hill 2 which are considered all-timers.

Quite a few PC games ended up on Xbox (like Thief, that Deus Ex sequel, Doom 3, Operation Flashpoint) but they were all a bit shooty shooty for me. I remember Full Spectrum Warrior being a big deal but never played it. There was a lot of cold, military-like games that I can see even gamers that actually played them having little nostalgia for, as they date quicker than your Billy Hatchers. Nobody is pining for Unreal Tournament 2004 or Richard Burns Rally. Or MotoGP, which was one of the showcase titles in its early days.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox   6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube,  PlayStation 2, Xbox - Page 10 EmptyFri 3 Dec 2021 - 11:19

Yeah the Cube holders up better, and is my favourite system for a reason, just certain areas OG Xbox shines and why don't think it's as one-sided of a choice.

I will point the 6th gen is my favourite gen of systems, as I could afford have them all and as been saying all actually offered something different even if on paper didn't.

The Xboxes always been shooty shooty from a outside perspective and take 360 its Halo, Gears etc with the other things on being Crackdown compare that to KOTOR, it's no contest.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox   6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube,  PlayStation 2, Xbox - Page 10 EmptyFri 3 Dec 2021 - 15:18

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I took a (stupidly long) look at the top-rated PS2 games over at Gintendo to see which ones actually require a PS2. Enjoy!

This bit is funny:

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For some reason, the PS2 saw a revised version of the N64/PlayStation/Dreamcast platformer Rayman 2. Acclaimed at the time, is this really what you’re craving a PS2 for?

Because that's exactly what I bought a new PS2 a couple of months ago to play Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox   6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube,  PlayStation 2, Xbox - Page 10 EmptySat 4 Dec 2021 - 14:04

This maybe could have been a Gintendo post or maybe even my blog but not done much with either for a while and this is in relation to the 6th gen systems.

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A good question might be why get a OG Xbox, I don't mean now in 2021 but when it was first released as if you're like me when I think Microsoft I don't think hardware I think software and MS were the new boys on the block with by then established PlayStation brand from Sony and ever present Nintendo.

Who was missing? SEGA (Well you could say Atari, SNK, Panasonic etc as well). They might have had a 6th gen console and the first out of the gate, but we all know what happened with the Dreamcast. I was kinda late getting my Dreamcast, as the PS2 was out, and I was saving for one of those, however I played a Dreamcast in a local game shop, and I was blown away by Sonic Adventure.

Now at the time I would have had a PS1, that graphical leap was there for me to see. Later that day or week, I decided I wanted a Dreamcast, not knowing it was on its last legs as this was 2000/01 the internet wasn't really a thing. I found one in the local freeads/admart which I believe was £100 (leaving me money left for PS2 fund or buy more DC games) with four games Sonic, Chu Chu, Jet Set and Soulcalibur.

The Dreamcast became my main console of choice from there on, till it wasn't any more, and I did get that PS2 Christmas 2001 which was grand at the time, especially the DVD player. Something was missing, though, and then saw in gaming magazines the upcoming systems from Nintendo and Microsoft.

I was weary of getting an Xbox because I didn't have much knowledge of MS in the gaming space, but I did with the enemy (By now Sony sort become the enemy for disgruntled Dreamcast fans) Nintendo as I had played the SNES and owned a N64 along with Gameboys that out of these systems coming in 2002, I bought a GameCube at launch, the GameCube would go on to become my favourite system and my gateway into Nintendo as I played Ocarina of Time for the first time on it and was blown away that went back and bought a NES, SNES, N64, Virtual Boy to play the classics along why on this forum.

Would have been a happy lad with my Dreamcast still on the shelf with the odd new game still, PS2 with its huge library PS1 BC and DVD player, GameCube with all these new Nintendo experiences.

As time went on and the Xbox having being out since March, we started getting reviews for the games in magazines and the library growing etc. Then we got one come into the shop, which we had at the time (Why my PS2 collection was so big and how I managed to get a NES, SNES, N64 etc) and I took it home with me and played this game called Halo Combat Evolved and I can tell ya the Combat was Evolved, played Dead or Alive 3 which I knew of the series from Dead or Alive 2 on Dreamcast and I thought this looked stunning on (the graphics weren't bad either) on Xbox and the other game was Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee which was fine.

I couldn't afford to keep the Xbox, so it went back out in the shop but thought hey I liked Halo and DOA3 let's have a look at the rest of the library which I saw Jet Set Radio Future, Project Gotham Racing the sequel in all but name of MSR, Gunvalkyrie which I knew was meant for Dreamcast, Buffy the Vampire Slayer another was meant to be Dreamcast bound, Crazy Taxi 3: High Roller, Sega GT 2002 along with games which would have piqued my interest such as Morrowind and Jedi Outcast were out  but really a lot of games I had played on Dreamcast or thought I might have got on Dreamcast where getting sequels on this Xbox system.

Christmas 2002, I got an Xbox which was bundle of Blinx, Jet Set Radio Future & SEGA GT on one disc and then DO3 & Halo from my uncle. It was the SEGA games that got me in, of course we would later find out (may have known at the time) the Xbox was going to be backwards compatible with the Dreamcast and MS wanted this partnership with SEGA which was down to Peter Moore (recently spoke in regard to 20 years of Xbox in relation to SEGA and the Dreamcast living on all these years later).

It ended up being a great system for a SEGA fan of course all three did with things like Billy Hatcher on GameCube, yet on Xbox I got Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dead or Alive 3, Dead or Alive Ultimate, Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball, Crazy Taxi 3,  GunValkyrie, Headhunter: Redemption, The House of the Dead III, Jet Set Radio Future, Ninja Gaiden/Black (knew was TeamNinja), Otogi (I've actually finished at least two FromSoftware games), Otogi 2, OutRun 2/2006, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Phantasy Star Online: Episode 1&2, Project Gotham Racing, PGR2, Sega GT 2002, Shenmue II, Sonic's, ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth.

In turn having the OG Xbox, the SEGA stuff got me in to it, yet as I had Xbox I tried Halo, Star Wars games, Fable, Conker because of the RARE name and so on that the OG Xbox with its more robust 3rd party support than the GameCube, online on games over the PS2 and enhanced features being the most powerful it became my default console for the rest of the generation and where you'd find me playing likes of GTA San Andreas.

All this later make me excited about the 360 knowing I'd get to finish the fight with Halo 3, Dead or Alive 4, PGR3, Fable 2 and new things from RARE like Kameo. Thanks to SEGA, I became a fan of Xbox and Nintendo in away as well.
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PostSubject: Re: 6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube, PlayStation 2, Xbox   6th Generation Consoles Dreamcast, GameCube,  PlayStation 2, Xbox - Page 10 EmptySun 5 Dec 2021 - 11:40

@OrangeRakoon wrote:
@gjones wrote:
I took a (stupidly long) look at the top-rated PS2 games over at Gintendo to see which ones actually require a PS2. Enjoy!

This bit is funny:

Quote :
For some reason, the PS2 saw a revised version of the N64/PlayStation/Dreamcast platformer Rayman 2. Acclaimed at the time, is this really what you’re craving a PS2 for?

Because that's exactly what I bought a new PS2 a couple of months ago to play Laughing

Damn, thanks for reading! I've been listening to Matthew Castle too much lately, and should really get around to playing Rayman 2. It was highly regarded at the time everywhere except N64 Magazine, which, the more I think about it, were often off the mark with some of their reviews. That's another topic for another day...

@Mas, funny you bring up the original Xbox, I went into a nice retro store yesterday in Swindon and took a look at what they had. I picked up a few games that hopefully work on my 360, but the consoles started at £60, and considering how big and ugly they are, I'm reluctant to get the actual system again. Especially with the disc drive issues. When you put the Gamecube design next to the Xbox/PS2, it still looks modern. Even the N64 still looks classy next to the Xbox and 360, and I think that is another reason people don't really collect early Xbox stuff. Part of the retro thing is having it on your shelf and nobody needs a fluorescent green breezeblock under their telly.
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I've not collected many games for the OG part from ones work on Series X which is 64ish, as few like Halo and Fable been remastered anyway.

Then 3rd party like Tomb Raider Legend, I'll get on Cube as even though inferior, I've got 100+ Cube games and collect for it.

PS2 is the exclusives I've got on that or maybe odd thing like Silent Hill 2/3/4.
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I think Rayman 2 is quite good, it’s a solid 7/10 for me. The 3DS version is still cheap if you’re looking for a convenient way of playing what is essentially the PS2/Dreamcast game. It feels best on Dreamcast though, if that makes sense.

It’s only that SEGA stuff that masofdas mentioned that’s ever tempted me to get the original Xbox. That said, with the Sonic games that were ported from the Dreamcast, the Super Monkey Ball games and the handful of other random stuff like Beach Spikers and Virtua Striker 20-02, I think GameCube got the much better end of the bargain. I’ve got a 360 though, but the only things I go back to are the download versions of NiGHTS, Daytona USA and Sonic CD.
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Xbox also got Monkey Ball, so it's do ya want Panzer Dragoon Orta or Virtua Striker, the answer both.

Plus best way at the time (maybe some PC thing now) to play Outrun 2, if you care about performance etc (why it's so expensive now I'm guessing).
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Cappa wrote:
I think GameCube got the much better end of the bargain.

That's an interesting take, and I guess if you throw in F-Zero GX it's a very good argument. I kind of wish SEGA had put their games on every platform but guess the arcade architecture played into this. There must have been some logic behind why PS2 and Gamecube got Crazy Taxi, but Xbox got Crazy Taxi 3. And nobody got Crazy Taxi 2 (except PSP I guess).

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Xbox also got Monkey Ball, so it's do ya want Panzer Dragoon Orta or Virtua Striker, the answer neither.

Fixed Laughing

@masofdas wrote:
Plus best way at the time (maybe some PC thing now) to play Outrun 2, if you care about performance etc (why it's so expensive now I'm guessing).

I'm not sure there's much difference between the versions - the Xbox version would have had a much smaller print-run than the PS2 given it came out after the 360 launched. That's my guess why it's stupid money.
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Take that Panzer Dragoon Orta is a banger.

Possibly but the best version for most part on Xbox, no not everyone cares and even more boring now in 2021 of the PS5 version is 1860p 60fps and Series X is 2160p 60fps, ohh no PS5 version unplayable but is a thing.
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