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OrangeRakoon Disciple of Greener
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Mon 18 Apr 2016 - 15:52 | |
| Link's Awakening has been robbed |
| | | The_Jaster Din
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Mon 18 Apr 2016 - 17:27 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- Really, only three? Oh well, had the vote happened a bit later I might have been able to include Twilight Picross, but it didn't. But what happened to my comment?
- The_Jaster wrote:
- Well, I didn't enjoy MM at all but I do like SS (great combat) & ALBW so I don't think it would have changed much actually.
I was thinking from an ALBW point of view, although I'm surprised that your love for the combat would have superseded the lack of continuous world and exploration. Ahh I see, even though the world was disjointed in SS I still liked being in it as it was full to the brim of charm & with wii motion+ combat I feel they could be more adventurous with their enemy designs which made it fresher compared to other 3d Zelda games. ---- That is a solid top three of 2d Zeldas but I'd personally replace LttP with Link's Awakening DX. |
| | | Jimbob Bargain Hunter
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Tue 19 Apr 2016 - 23:11 | |
| I gotta be honest - and I know I'm gonna get s... I don't like Link's Awakening that much! I get told that me liking a certain N64 game is based on nostalgia rather than the game holding up. I'd argue that this goes double for LA. |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 2:35 | |
| Number 3: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TimeN64, 3DS 62 points, 1 firstAn all time masterpiece, regularly voted the greatest game of all time, and our third best Zelda. Well, you can't win 'em all! - You said:
"It's widely considered the best game ever made for very good reason. It's harder to find a more moving and evocative game than Ocarina of Time - an experience that will stay with you forever.."
"Specifically the 3DS version, which (apart from the remarkably polygonal Great Fairies) is beautiful in addition to being great in almost every other way. The Forest and Shadow Temples are standouts in the genre, the incorporation of the titular Ocarina was genius, and the locations all offered something special. But it's the story memories that really stay with me. Who can forget the Great Deku Tree dying, or leaving the forest past Saria, or the first time you were Re-Deaded, or going forward in time to a ruined world? Nobody. Not a single body."
"the 3DS version holds up pretty well, I'm sure if this was the first Zelda you've played it was mind blowing, it wasn't mine."
"I like Ocarina, I really do. But I can't see it as the greatest game of all time. I've no real nostalgia for it, and I played it after Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Considering Twilight Princess is seemingly purposefully designed to ape OoT, then maybe I missed the boat on it. That's not to say I didn't enjoy my time with OoT – it's still a finely crafted adventure and very impressive for its time. I just feel it's been bettered since its release."
"The N64 original and I were not friends. A Link To The Past is my favourite Zelda game; suddenly its crisp, cute graphics were replaced by chunky, jagged visuals and I was not a happy Moon Pearl-less Link in the Dark World (tortured, Zero). The 3D version brought me to my senses. It's a fine thing that improves on the template set down by its noble predecessor, extending the lore and making the all-important jump into 3D actually really well."
"Some would argue this is the best game of all time and the updated 3DS version almost cements that."
"despite enjoying the SNES game, I didn't initially take the plunge, and had to be convinced to get this as a Christmas present. What a dummy. It's at the top of my list, and I don't know how much is purely down to nostalgia, but… hey. I can't do anything about that. I only had a handful of N64 games; don't get me wrong Mario 64 had a similar impact upon my life. But, even more so than Link to the Past, this changed the way games were, forever. This was an obsession for two weeks in that Christmas. Starting from the floaty spirit-like bugs in Kokiri Forest, to the discovery of a golden Skulltula ("why's that one special"), to defeating the first boss (and my Mum asking me whether I'd just finished the game already). Then stepping outside to Hyrule Field, and NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE OTHER END OF IT. Of course, like other Zelda fields, it was a tad empty. But, after that first list of things that were more amazing than the last thing… well, I could go on and on. I don't think I could convince a Zelda newbie that this is the definitive Zelda game, and the one place they should start (my sister tried this with her boyfriend - it failed), but to me, it is. The style, the sounds (Navi's sparkling noise as she "pops out for a bit"), the landscapes… technical updates aside, this is still the template I base all my Zelda expectations on."
- I say:
Ocarina of Time is a weird game to talk about. I didn't put it that high on my list. I'm disappointed it beat a lot of the games it beat. When I compare to it a lot of the Zeldas before or since, I don't think it comes off all that strongly; it hasn't aged as well as Link to the Past, and it feels quite vanilla compared to the 3D games that have come since.
But saying all that, I do love it. With all my heart, I adore this game. All the moments people mention, I do remember. All the music, every beat of the game, every dungeon, every character. Most of the games I think of as my all time favourites would not exist were it not for Ocarina of Time. A masterpiece, a gamechanger, a one-time pinnacle of games as an art form, Ocarina's only sin is giving birth to a series of even more exquisite sequels.
- They said:
Superman says:" Good day, citizens! I hope this little forum post hasn't put you off Ocarina of Time: Statistically speaking, it's still the most beloved game of all time! It really is brilliant, and a must-play for everyone. You just have to make sure you play it first. It sets you up nicely for all the others, but they're much more interesting. A bit like me and all the other superheroes, I suppose."
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| | | ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 6:00 | |
| I like Link's Awakening - my comment on it (for I gave it my 'coveted' 10th position) said something about its "woozy atmosphere". Fun game, enjoyed playing and replaying it, bettered many times since. Ocarina was my sixth, for reasons that Drunka exactly nailed in his 'I say' section. I s'pose that means we can all guess the top two but which order are they in?! It's so tense! |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 8:06 | |
| Wow. The order has been really unpredictable! I guess that makes this a good vote? That said, I can see some of youse think of OoT in the same way as I think of LttP. Didn't expect that. So I'd like to present a couple of stories that might help shift that perception. As you know, I don't see the point of voting for things for what they did back in the day - I vote for them on how good a game they are now, and OoT, I believe, is A Very Good Game Indeed. First story: I didn't finish OoT right back in the day. Not even close. When I got it at age 9, it was an unwanted Christmas present (I wanted ISS 98 because I had all the taste and discernment of a short-sighted amoeba). I never got past Dodongo's Cavern, falling on one easy bit over and over again. I denounced it "boring", the harshest word I had at the time (one I'd also used about SM64 when I couldn't get all 120 stars ), and left it gratefully. It took until WW's release, and the bonus disc, for me to give it a go again. Of course I tried WW first, in its beautiful technicolour. However, at some point quite early on in WW, I thought I'd swap out for the bonus disc of OoT, see if I could get past that bit this time. Of course I could, but despite OoT looking old even then in comparison to its beauty of a brother, WW didn't get back into my disc slot until I'd completed OoT. The game grabbed me by the collar and wouldn't let go. Second story: despite this, I held that OoT didn't age well. About ten years or so after finishing it for the first time, more to prove a point than anything else, I went back to it, and was proved right. This time, I didn't even make a serious try at Jabu-Jabu. My big complaints were that Hyrule Field was large and dull, and that the game felt old and ugly. Then the 3D version came along, and I played it right the way through and loved it. I agree with Drunka, the original has not aged well - but it didn't have to, because it got a recreation later on. OoT may feel somewhat vanilla now, but it also makes very few missteps. In the 3D version, which also fixed the Water Temple, I reckon that the sparseness of Hyrule Field, the polygon-boobs of the Great Fairies, and the disorienting garishness of Jabu-Jabu are the only flaws. And of course, like most Zeldas, it has several memories that will stay in the mind for a long time after completing the game. As I've said many a time, the combination of the original and the port makes it into my top ten games ever, for a mixture of the original ideas and the fact that they're still playable now, where neither would alone. My second place, and I'm very glad to see it where it is. This vote has definitely thrown up a few shocks, in order if not in games; but if TP outplaces WW to the title on this place, I'll replace my avatar with Tingle. (cue Drunka fixing the votes) |
| | | OrangeRakoon Disciple of Greener
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 10:12 | |
| - Jimbob wrote:
- I gotta be honest - and I know I'm gonna get s... I don't like Link's Awakening that much! I get told that me liking a certain N64 game is based on nostalgia rather than the game holding up. I'd argue that this goes double for LA.
Both OoT and LA hold up brilliantly even today. LA has some great dungeon design, the story remains unique and memorable, and the whimsical nature and humour of the game isn't something that really ages. I'll admit that I have huge nostalgia for the game (and OoT) but even without that it's a fantastic game. I'm upset by the number of people here who don't rate OoT, especially when compared to TP. TP was OoT again, bigger and better looking, but it fails to replicate so much of the spirit of the game. Try and match up any of the iconic and memorable moments in OoT to TP and it's no contest - OoT is full of them and TP has very, very few. For example, leaving Kokiri forest > leaving Ordon village, despite the forced attempts in TP to attach you to the place. The death of the Great Deku Tree (and Navi's lingering hover), and being gifted the Ocarina by Saria - these are emotionally impacting scenes that TP lacks, despite TP having a lot longer to provide them. Another example, the midgame jump in OoT. Obtaining the master sword and jumping seven years into the future is done masterfully. TP's gimmick of the Twilight Realm lacks a similar moment and doesn't bring much to the game (other than probably the worst sections gameplay-wise). One more example, getting Epona in OoT > getting Epona in TP. In OoT Epona is a real character with a backstory who you get to know, see grow up, and then rescue in a climactic race and escape from the ranch. Getting Epona feels like a real achievement and changes the way you play the game and explore - it opens up so much of the world and just feels so good. In contrast, in TP you just get given Epona and that's that. The horseback combat is really fun and much better mechanically than OoT but the emotional connection is incomparable, which makes it ultimately so much less memorable. I could go on |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 11:30 | |
| The weird thing about this vote is I don't dislike any Zelda game. They're all masterpieces, and I could have a wonderful time even playing the N64 Ocarina of Time. I just think a lot of the other ones are better. |
| | | ZeroJones I'M SO LONELY
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 17:35 | |
| - Drunkalilly wrote:
- The weird thing about this vote is I don't dislike any Zelda game. They're all masterpieces, and I could have a wonderful time even playing the N64 Ocarina of Time.
This is exactly it - almost all Zelda games are brilliant (sorry, Adventure of Link) and the differences between the best ones are very slight sometimes. This, combined with our differing opinions, has moved things about a bit from what might be considered the norm. For my money, the games I'm currently imagining are the top two are the ones I thought they'd be. |
| | | masofdas The Next Miyamoto
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 18:13 | |
| Really Balla, I thought this was the most predictable Top 5 at least and even the order ever. |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Wed 20 Apr 2016 - 18:14 | |
| In what some might consider an extreme point of view, I don't consider all the Zelda games as "masterpieces". If I give games getting 9/10 or more by my scale "masterpieces", I think that maybe 4 or 5 of them are, with Majora's Mask (3D) a rank outside possibility that makes up for its frustrating gameplay with masterful storytelling.
I do think that all of what will be the top three are masterpieces, though. And the only one I actively dislike (that I've played) is the original. |
| | | Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 13:52 | |
| OoT >>>>>>>>>> TP
Fact. If only because while the former is barebones by current standards TP had far too much irrelevant crap. A worse triforce hunt and some of the single most tedious segments in the entire franchise in the bug hunts. It also came with unecessary forced sentimental drama, I never defeated King Bubblin for Colin, Colin could have clown off the cliff with him for all I cared, I defeated King Bubblin because kicking his keister was fun. Same with Ilia's stupid memories.
OoT's highs were also better crafted. TP had all the subtlety of a Megaton Hammer to the face.
Not that TP was bad or anything, but it didn't try to be new, and it was far too fat. In fact I feel if the game had been rushed it would have ended up a better game, it would have forced the team to choose the most important parts of the game, with the lesser parts being chopped, resulting in a focus on what were very good segments. As it stands the fat dilutes it, muddies it.
There were other issues with the game, however if it wasn't as overly long and bloated as it is those other issues would cease to be such.
Just getting my TP thoughts aired, because it's obviously taking the top spot. |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| | | | shanks Raging Pedant
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 15:47 | |
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| | | Athrun888 Sheegoth
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 15:58 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
The inevitable TP favourtism is why I didn't vote. I haven't played more than eight Zelda games, can't let it have my points so no vote. . . . Saying that out loud makes me realize how whack that logic is. |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:10 | |
| You could have just submitted seven votes! |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:11 | |
| Should've just submitted seven other games! (EDIT: Beaten to the punch before I even posted.) Anyway, like I said, I don't think TP is even going to win. And I bet it'll have come not that far off OoT - nostalgia counts for bucketloads. (Plus OoT (3D) is an amazing game, mustn't forget that.) |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:26 | |
| Number 2: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight PrincessGamecube, Wii, Wii U 62 points, 3 firstsThe relative quality of pieces of art is subjective. - You said:
"I recently voted in the SONM Zelda vote and this I gave this 3rd and OoT 2nd, these two I've changed often there place but with the recent HD version of TP even though I may have seemed I've been negative towards it in the games thread but after playing for round 4hrs, talking about the game again and memories flooding back ala MGS3 which I always rated low for MGS games but now with hindsight that was a excellent game and so is TP with the best companion in Zelda history with Midna, a Hyrule Field with things to do and excellent dungeons it has to have second place, in till I play OoT HD on NX and that replaces this "
"Twilight Princess gets a unfair rep, I think. I've been thinking back on my time with the game and while yes, it's easy to poke fun at its twinkly MIDI soundtrack or muddy graphics, it's still a cracking Zelda adventure. The opening hours are often derided too, but I've fond memories of the Wii screaming “GOAT IN” to me on Christmas morning of the Wii's launch, so I can't look down on it too badly. Plus, it makes up for it with some cracking dungeons – Arbiter's Grounds, anyone? - and the best final boss encounter in the series."
"Mixing the darkness of Majora's Mask with the structure of Ocarina Of Time and lacing it with what I reckon is the series' most complex story should have created the perfect Zelda game, right? Not quite, for me, though the quality is obviously super high. Aesthetically things are so bright it's off-putting and the pre-rendered stuff never sits well with me. Still, being a wolf is fun and has given the world that lovely amiibo."
"If the internet is to believed, this game now sucks. This is, of course, nonsense. Yes, the grimy look of the twilight world was typical of the mid-2000s, and isn't necessarily that much different in the HD update. Yes, the beginning takes a while, If you expect to go straight to "Level 1". Yes, having a giant world to ride through turned out to be a little bland. But it's still immensely beautiful, with a wonderful supporting cast of characters; the surprisingly mastermind-like Malo; Milf-fan Aonuma's favourite Telma; and of course the wonderful Midna, who makes having a Zelda advisor fun (in the HD version, I've started talking to her even when I'm not stuck, just so I don't miss any quips), and some of the best dungeons in the history of the universe (snow and sky, we're looking at you). The kettle drum and tube at the beginning of the field theme is soooo exciting." ~MILF fan absolutely killed me.
"Twilight Princess, bigger, better and more fun than Ocarina, this is hands down the best place to enjoy a bit of Zeldary goodness."
"- My favourite game of all time, despite looking like the progeny of the Zelda series and Clive Barker's Jericho. Why? It's all about the gameplay. Galloping around on horseback, a rich and varied repertoire of enemies to carve up and moves to carve them up with, dungeons that are absolute pinnacles of game design, two of the best items in any game ever... The story and characters are actually pretty good too, apart from Colin. The Yetis, the light spirits, Malo, Zant... I'm sure I'm missing someone. And that's ignoring the set-pieces (like defending the cart), a soundtrack that manages to sound great despite being MIDI, a Hyrule Field that's sprawling without being an empty expanse, the wolf segments, the Pit of Trials... I could go on. TP doesn't do everything perfectly, but it does more things very very well than any other game I've played."
- I say:
Very nearly my number one. If we did the vote again tomorrow, everything would stay still but this and Skyward Sword might swap places. The atmosphere, the dungeons, the music is all incredible but as I've been playing the HD remake, I've been falling in love with the characters, the animations, the little details like that. By being a bit moody, and a bit similar to what had come before, TP got a bad rap. The truth is, this is classic Zelda turned up to eleven and if that's bad, I don't want to be good.
- They said:
Batman says:" I am darkness. I am the night. I am Batman. But I'm still a nice guy, and I can still have a good time. This is my favourite Zelda game. I like brooding in the shadows, but I also like saving babies and I like the sunshine and I like dogs. But don't tell anyone "
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| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:31 | |
| If only Athrun had voted, this would've come below OoT! The last comment is, of course, mine. Full "defence" when I'm at home. (Also, something's off with that numbering, Drunka...) Nothing to see here.
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| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:49 | |
| Sssh, I don't quote the previous entry to save myself redoing the formatting... |
| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:52 | |
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| | | OrangeRakoon Disciple of Greener
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 16:59 | |
| - Quote :
- the best final boss encounter in the series.
OoT, MM, WW, SS all have better final bosses. It's Ganondorf in a field... - Quote :
- of course the wonderful Midna, who makes having a Zelda advisor fun
Most annoying assistant in the series tbh - Quote :
- a Hyrule Field that's sprawling without being an empty expanse
But it /is/ an empty expanse - Quote :
- the wolf segments
... (the worst parts by far) [/bait] (but I'm right ) - Quote :
- MGS3 which I always rated low for MGS games
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| | | Buskalilly Galactic Nova
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 17:03 | |
| - OrangeRakoon wrote:
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- MGS3 which I always rated low for MGS games
Worst comment in the thread That's the first, and probably last, time you've ever spoken sense |
| | | Balladeer DIVINE LONELINESS
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| | | Crumpy Andy Zeta Metroid
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| Subject: Re: The Best Legend of Zelda Thu 21 Apr 2016 - 17:12 | |
| 2 will do, my favourite, but I think, unless there's a massive plot twist and Spirit Tracks comes out on top, I'm happy for it to lose to what it has. I struggle to decide which is better between them sometimes. |
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