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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyThu 8 Aug 2019 - 12:25

Yeah I do agree with Jay and I think that was a top notch post.

I also grew quite attached to the characters in my house, which I think is a testament to the quality of the overall story for the most part, the better bits of world building done through support dialogue, and of course the engrossing squad building gameplay.

And it's definitely a game where most of the characters have an extra layer underneath the "I'm lazy" or "I'm always hungry" outward appearance. I thought Raphael was a throwaway character at first, but he's actually got some pretty decent support conversations.

It's just that here and there, there are bad design decisions that contradict the world building/character arcs for the sake of... cringe. They're pretty bad when they're there but not enough to mire the whole experience.

Jas brings up the Witcher and it's almost an unfair comparison for me because that game is just so much better at dealing with relationships and morality than just about any game ever in my opinion. But I do think if Fire Emblem is going to introduce more RPG exploration, then it would be better off moving away from the antiquated support convo structure... or at the very least, just make everything platonic. But in the Witcher your choices have consequences, and I would love for something like that to exist in Fire Emblem to make the characters feel less like props - although I appreciate that this would be very hard to implement.

But, like Jay says, I think Fire Emblem has changed for good now and I just have to accept that or move on (although I'll still complain haha). I've still got all the old games.
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I've grown to like Bernadetta which is why

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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyThu 8 Aug 2019 - 16:57

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But in the Witcher your choices have consequences, and I would love for something like that to exist in Fire Emblem to make the characters feel less like props - although I appreciate that this would be very hard to implement.

That was the main reason I brought it up actually since you had mentioned that the dialogue choices in FE didn't seem to matter much but I agree that it could be overkill on top of stuff like the perma death system.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyFri 9 Aug 2019 - 17:04

I started my Blue Lions Hard/Classic NG+ run the other day, looking forward to getting to know the squad.

I didn't have any need for Bernie in my GD playthrough as they're stacked for archers, but depending on how things go I might recruit her as a BL. Will definitely read what Shanks has to say once I've had a run that uses her. She seems a bit cringeworthy to me right now, but I'm hopeful there's some good character development beneath the surface.

My first thoughts having gone BL is that I've got no range and I'm a bit scared of magic Laughing I'm sure that'll change once I get some class upgrades going, but boy do I miss having Claude and his final unique unit type.
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Bernie is best girl, well at least playing as Black Eagles
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Are you gearing up for a second playthrough Mas? Am I right in thinking this is your GOTY so far?
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It is my GOTY at the moment but found the ending disappointing, so can see it being replaced.

I am on holiday this week, with nothing planned (I didn't even know I was off) that I may start with Golden Eagles, depending on how I feel as it's a longish game to just jump back into.
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I'm one chapter off my first play through, my next one is where I'll really be with the Black eagles I think then move on to the next houses
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyWed 14 Aug 2019 - 19:58

Muss wrote:

My first thoughts having gone BL is that I've got no range and I'm a bit scared of magic Laughing I'm sure that'll change once I get some class upgrades going, but boy do I miss having Claude and his final unique unit type.

Mages are definitely the hardest counter to the Blue Lions from my Hard/Classic playthrough - just wait till some of the endgame maps... - but I found that Ingrid as a Pegasus Knight would deal with them nicely and either Annette or Mercedes were good for baiting the mages closer as their resistance was so high. Annette in particular had a monstrous 40+ magic stat by end game so she would destroy any enemy mages with little effort.

I finished my first run of this! I'm quite happy in claiming this as my GOTY so far. The core gameplay loop remained engaging for the majority of the journey, although I did use the auto-teach ability towards the last couple of months as there wasn't much more my students needed to specialise in. The Blue Lions story was a surprisingly human tale for Fire Emblem - Fire Emblem has a particularly boring habit of having an epic, world spanning tale of chivalry and warfare before wrapping up the final chapters with "OOGA BOOGA A DRAGON DID IT OR SOMETIMES IT WAS THE GODDESS". The supernatural elements weren't really there for the Kingdom's story, which was refreshing. Dimitri's arc cemented him as potentially my favourite lord in the series yet.

What's surprised me the most is that with little fatigue I've found myself jumping right back in for NG+. I want to know how the Black Eagles route pans out so I'm already a few chapters into my second run.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyFri 16 Aug 2019 - 1:17

Finished my second route today, though it helped that it branched off my previous playthrough so I could re-load an older save to circumvent most of Part 1.

The scope of this game. Wasn't prepared for how fleshed out the world and characters would be. Whenever there's a new month I gladly speak to everyone in the monastery for what they have to say about the current conflict or whatever little tidbit they have about someone or someplace. Was pleasantly surprised that pretty much all the dialogue is voiced.

Did have somewhat mixed feelings about Supports though. Like someone here has said the system is antiquated. Feels almost odd since a lot of features have been overhauled but the Support system has remained pretty much the same since it was first introduced in the series almost two decades ago. I like Fire Emblem games but they're kind of a mess of gameplay layers - in battles not only do you have to worry about the tactical placement of units, but resource management, level management (making sure the right units get the exp/don't overlevel and become exp sinks) and if you bother with it, placing the right units side-by-side to build up support. And I recall the ranking systems of some of the older games not being too kind if you faffed about too much organising your units to these ends.

There are at least a few more ways to raise support between units now. The choir, group tasks and, more fruitfully, meals, which I made a great use of since at some point I had an abundance of activity points. Not even accounting for gifts and tea time, you'll max out the supports between the main character and anyone else this way easily in a playthrough. But between other units, it can feel like a bit of a grind, especially if you recruited a few others to your house and want all the support conversations. Got a bit burned out trying to pursue this - admittedly kind of my fault for trying, but I want the content. Some of the conversations and character arcs are really good. But it doesn't help that some of them are not so interesting or feel a bit too divorced from what's been going on in the game.

When it got to the point of the game where you choose who your main character pairs off with, I was stumped as to who to pick. I had the choice of everyone in my house and the recruits (as well as an extra/special choice), but nobody felt like 'the one'. I liked Shamir, but in the three support convos we had, which capped off a while back, it didn't seem like there was a that great of a connection between the two characters. Same with Bernadetta. In the end, I picked Edelgard since it just seemed to make the most sense.

I think Hubert had some of my favourite support conversations. He's a horrible person overall, but they do a good job of humanising him/showing his lighter side without backtracking on his personality/perspective.

Probably jumping into a new game plus playthrough with a different house soon. Think I'm going with Blue Lions though I am very curious about the Golden Deer route too and I plan to try them all eventually.
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PostSubject: Re: Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy   Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Give Me Orders Daddy - Page 6 EmptyFri 16 Aug 2019 - 4:25

Finally bought and started. Gonna go with Golden Deers I think. Claude is great, and I have a thing for fantasy factions that use stags/deer's after Fitz in the Realm of the Elderlings series.

That is all.
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I'm really surprised that most of the comments I've read from those that have finished this game are about jumping right back. New Game Plus is usually a mode given little thought by most folks, so I suppose that's a real testament to this game's replayability.

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I love new game plus and tend to give it a go, often not long after I've beaten a game. If I leave a game for a long time and want to replay it then I usually do a regular playthrough since I guess I want to experience the game the 'proper' way.

Though whether I bother seeing through a new game plus playthrough to the end is another question and depends on new features or if there's some fun to be had in sequence breaks/beating the game especially quickly.

Here I like how renown, which you're given in bonus amounts and with less of a need to spend it on statues, can go towards progress in a fair few aspects of the game. Opens up a lot of possibilities and makes recruiting and unlocking supports a lot easier - seems like you miss support convos by unlocking them with renown at first, but they can be viewed in the main menu. Then there are the bonus items and little things like changing unit appearances. These additions and the game having four different routes make NG+ pretty attractive.
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Two hours in. I'm going to make some bold (/sarcasm) predictions.

Church is clearly eeeeevwil. The green hair on everyone also puts me in line of suspecting that totally-not-evil-leader is Byleth's mother. I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess that Byleth was stolen from the crib by merc-dude because church-lady has some sort of super evil scheme in mind (probably something involving time manipulation if the manakete in Byleth's mind is anything to go by).

But none of it will be dealt with except in the True Route (which with all the talking is clearly Edelgard).

Claude is an MVP. I'm loving the suave amorality oozing off him in casual conversation.

And since the topic of replays is on the agenda, likely won't be doing one for a few months minimum unless the gameplay and map design is Conquest quality. Game's clearly going to be a long-winded affair even by JRPG standards. Which is great if the quality remains that of the first couple of hours.
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I picked up my copy last night.I'm excited to settle into the big session.
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I too recently got my copy, already picked Claude as he is the prettiest of the boys and apparently the most balanced team(I need all the help I can get). I'm very excited to make everyone bang, the ultimate goal of any fire emblem title.
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Okay, which clown at IS decided to make the boss of the second chapter have a heal tile, no movement, and no ranged weaponry so the player can farm archer weapon rank indefinitely?

Shame the promoted avatar outfit isn't reflected in the monastery sections, myrmidon Byleth looks amazing and I was excited at how much classier female Byleth was going to look. Only to be disappointed as soon as the screen went back to the monastery.

Lysithea best gril and Claude best boi so far. Although Ralph is growing on me. Leonie is getting strength-screwed, level 5 and not a single strength gain. She keeps this up she's getting benched. Hilda meanwhile is becoming an MVP, her personality belying her stat gains.
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Bloody hell this is a good computer game. I stayed up so late playing last night I was almost late to work this morning.
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